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As for comparable springs, our own Illusion made this excellent spring chart a few years ago: http://www.airsoftcanada.com/SpringChart.php I'd go with a Prometheus MS120 for your application. Quote:
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Bearing bushings are usually a mutli-piece design. They have a metal bushing, some small metal ball bearings, and a metal race to keep the bearings inside the bushing. They look like this: http://redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/ai...l?prodID=17813 The problem with bearings is their ability to handle the load of a high-powered spring. 6mm bearings and cheap 7mm bearings will fail under load, the race will break, and the ball bearings will end up shooting into you piston and gear teeth, increasing the chances are they will be ruined as well. If your bearing bushing fails, you may have to replace the piston and gears along with the bearing bushings themselves. The larger the bearing, the more stress they can handle....8mm can handle load better than 7mm, which is in turn better than 6mm. However, "bargain" bearing manufacturer will often use an oversized bushing bearing case and still use the same ball bearings as they use in 6mm bearings to make them cheap...so buy high quality bearing bushings if that is the route you want to go. Generally, bearings with ceramic ball bearings are better than those with steel, as ceramic is both smoother and stronger. Kanzen makes the best ceramic bearing buchings you can get for an airsoft gun....they run about $35 a set. Quote:
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http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...=phoenix+gears You could PM Illusion (or perhaps he'll comment) and ask him how the gears worked out for him; I've got no personal experience with them. Quote:
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If I remove bearings on piston side, I'll get extra 4 mm, but spring is still 175mm long. It would take a lot of struggle to fit it in. Is there any special way to do it? Not mentioning the possible jamming. Quote:
Or maybe I can just drill a larger hole to the cylinder to lover total volume. No need to spend anotehr money... The cylinder I have is recommended for 200-400 mm barrel, not sure if 100 mm will lmake any difference... Quote:
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Personally, I would just buy a 8mm gearbox and Kanzen 8mm ceramic bearings, but since you're on a budget, get Kanzen 7mm ceramic bearings and you should be ok. review: http://infectedairsoft.wordpress.com...ball-bearings/ buy here: http://www.airsplat.com/Items/AC-UPI-KZ-SYN-7.htm |
I would say.... G&P M140 motor (your M120 motor may just work perfectly fine), use that prommy barrel, get a prommy hard hop-up rubber, and their MS120 spring, that AJAX STS is a pretty good idea too, your gearset set should be okay to use, and if you have the G&P white piston that should be okay as well. You'll definitely need to swap those bearings out for solid bushings though, and get a matching cylinder for your barrel length. Modify electroplated ones are nice.
By the way, you can keep the bearings on your bevel gear, but installing 6mm solid bushings on your spur and sector gear is still highly recommended; bearings are meant to take high speed but not high impact applications. |
What is your choice??
Prometheus Double Torque Gear Set + Kanzen 7mm ceramic bearings total $125 OR Modify Modular Torque Up Gear Set for 7mm Gearbox (in case it will fit G&P 7mm gearbox) I also found "Smooth" version here Which one do you think is better? Older version seem to be more durable cause have two rails.... total $80 Consider quality, durability and M130 spring... |
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Assuming you know how to shim gear well, the Prommy/Kanzen package is better overall, although I think the Modify "smooth" gears are a better buy considering the price. I *really* like the Modify Modular gears, to the point that I specifically buy gearbox shells that will accommodate them (see below). I have 5 sets of the older ones (not "smooth") in guns from 280 fps (high speed) to 470 fps ("high torque") that I have been using for 3 years and have never had a problem. Be aware that Modify modular gears (the old ones with 2 rails on the frame) will not fit in some aftermarket "reinforced" mechboxes, as they were designed for a stock Tokyo Marui mechbox ONLY. The G&P reinforced gearbox will not accept them. See my post here for more info: New Modular Gear Set by MODIFY - Page 3 - Filipino Airsoft (FAS) You will need to get the "smooth" set for your reinforced G&P mechbox if you want to go with Modify gears. About the M140 vs M160 - the M160 is G&P's answer to the Systema Magnum - it is both high speed and high torque. Since you wanted to keep the ROF down, the M140 (high torque only) is a better choice. However, if you have a programmable MOSFET that allows you to adjust motor speed, the M160 would be a better value. |
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I have this systema teflon cylinder You recommend cylinder mentioned above... I have compared both, the length from one end to the beginning of the hole and systema has shorter length for about 1%, in case that the diameter is the same, then volume for both cylinder are the same as well... Of course I was calculating it just by picture, so maybe somebody can have different opinion... |
you need the modular smooth set.
Prommy should have stronger gears, but IMO 420fps isn't enough to warrant a double torque gear set. They'll end up being the same price anyways; a smooth modular set+gear key should be something like 110 USD. |
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it depends on where you order from. Some kits will include a mini key, some will require you to buy a seperate one. But you'll need to adjust it to fit a G&P mechbox
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Some people dont recommend me a prometheus barrel. Some say it lowera their fps, or it didint fit at all becouse its bigger thickness....
Does any body have simmilar experience? I also have been recommended to try KM barrel. Are they good? Does Prometheus EG Barrel 363mm for M4A1, SR16, SG551 fit into G&P Silencer or this one? Does anybody have this combination? GP Stubby has 109 mm length. GP NSW Silencer has 190 mm length. |
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I've also never heard of someone who couldn't fit an inner barrel through the outer barrel, or a silencer. If the hole in the tip of the silencer is too small, use a drill to open it up. If the inner barrel doesn't fit past the end of the outer barrel (I once had this problem installing an extra-long inner barrel into a TM AK47) check to see if there's any metal flash left over from the casting process around the hole around the flash hider. I had a tiny ridge I had to file out of my TM AK's flash hider so a Systema inner barrel would fit through. Quote:
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