Duster gas pulled? Liabilities?
 

I picked up my p226 from the post office in my mall an hour ago, and when I went to get duster gas at future shop the guy said they were out and he didn't know when they'd be getting any. So i went to the computer department at london drugs, and the guy there said it was pulled because of liability issues.

Anybody else hear about this?

Weird... London Drugs in Saskatchewan still carry's it.

At London Drugs we started carrying Computer Duster behind the couter because theres a new fad. Kids sniff this stuff to get a high its stupid so we have to restrict the sale of computer duster. Quite amusing actually.

whats the advantage of duster over hfc 134 or green gas, is it just cheap or what.

Duster gas = HFC 134a

Propane = Green Gas

:lol: you need to read a little more

ah well sorry, & i just ordered 2 from 007 you mean i can pick up 134 at future shop. shit i thought it was only for gbb. sorry lads

Just remember that duster gas from future shop or london drugs or anywhere else doesn't have silicon oil in it. The HFC-134a or Green gas you can buy in cans does have silicon oil already mixed in it. So if you want to go with duster gas or propane remember to keep your gun regularly oiled. Also you'll need a duster adaptor to use the duster cans from futureshop or whatever in your GBB.

cheers thought id wasted $

Wow, I'm not surprised by this one bit...and they say kids are the future...

:? Anyone care to take a hit of that KILLERSHIT and give a review? hahaha...

lol yeah when I went to london drugs about 2 weeks ago I purchased 3 cans of that stuff and the lady looked at me funny and I couldent figure out why until my dad told me.

Erik

Lol, I saw this on the news. The shits stick the straw up their nose and spray, apparentally it i'll kill you after a few hits.

They showed a closeup of the chemical comp and the can they were showing was tetra!

.....so that's why they didn't have tetra anywhere around here

Damnit, I really don't want to use propane in my 226 until I get the metal slide, or pay the extra $$ for airsoft packaged HFC 134A.

ah well, I guess I can start using propane, because I will be getting the metal slide eventually, so the slide will be replaced anyway, meaning that I don't need to be concerned with the old slide.

Does this approach make sense to anyone, or am I missing something?

makes perfect sense to me

Yeah now that I think of it. On my KAR98 when ever I load it up with duster gas and start shooting everytime a bit of gas ejectes from the reciever and I always inahale it (not on purpose, but the last couple of times it has been really bad and I have felt quite dizzy) but then again I was also fireing it in my basement so there's no ventelation.

Erik

I cannot see the volume of HFC134a in a can of duster being enough to pose a risk in an enclosed basement. Even if you dumped the whole can at once, I cannot see it causing any side effects. All the gas is doing to kids that get "high" on it is replacing oxygen in the blood stream, causing a mild buzz thats really the brain lacking good ole O2. They're starving the brain of oxygen to get high, its really fucking smart of them. Not to mention the brain freeze they must get from the cold dry gas.

For us GBB owners, I really do not think we have anything to worry about, so far as health risks. I fire my GBB's indoors mostly, and while I notice an odour from the gas, I have never once noticed any side effects from it.

Kids will sniff anything to get high it seems. Gasoline, weed killer, insecticide, model glue, super glue, epoxy, spray paint.. fuck, if it emits fumes, kids will sniff it. Not all kids, but some really bloody dumb ones.

Ace is right, in a enclosed room 134 shouldn't pose a threat. I've dumped a whole can at once but I was using it to clean out my computer :tup:

well, that's just stupid

Walmart buddy

wtf is wrong with kids these days? I swear in a couple years there's gonna be a generation that wipes itself out from it's own stupidity.

There's 6 billion hoo-mons, we could easily lose 5.5 billion people overnight and we wouldnt even be close to being an endangered species.

well if there taking something as harmless as duster away from minors, the need to make sure any sprays including - window cleaner, soaps , airfreshner,

anything can give someone that "high" sensation. its chemicals blocking oxygen to the brain, anything with a smell when breathed heavily can do it.

ever been whoosy in the perfume department at sears? around gasoline? washing your floors on your hands and knees?

look at this.

HFC-134a has very low acute inhalation toxicity. The lowest concentration that causes mortality in rats -- the approximate lethal concentration (ALC) -- for a 4-hour exposure is greater than 500,000 ppm. Anaesthetic-like effects, such as lethargy and incoordination, are observed in rats at very high inhalation concentrations (greater than 200,000 ppm).

hey wait then that means that green gas which is (hfc 134a) would not kill you if you inhale it?

so dustergas has a lower lethal concentration? so it would kill you faster?

They actually have an award for killing yourself stupidly. The darwin award. in the future I see thicker and more editions of the darwin awards.

Its not nesseserily a bad thing if people are killing themselves stupidly the world is overcrowded anyways.
Just give kids that do that some carbon tetrachloride or ethylene glycol and get them to sniff it (in the case of ethylene glycol mix it in with some wine or something and give it to them). It actually would be helping the world killing off the weak link of humans and slowing the overpopulation.

Its always been the survival of the fittest.

nah, just give them methanol and say it's alcohol.... hey, technically it is. BHAUHAHAHA

HFC-134a is Duster
Green gas is Propane

so what youre saying is that their basically the same product. Their both used as a propellent for GBB's but the chemical composition is different? They both do the same job? or does one have more "kick" and is more of a propellant

hfc-134a is the same gas as in a duster can.

green gas is fruity smelling green gas.

that's all there is to it.

Just A Note That R134a Is The Chemical In Ac Systems In All Cars Since 1993 And It Is A $500,000 Fine If Caught Despencing It Into The Air. It Was The Replacment For R12 Freon

Most stores only take away products that are popular with the retarded stoner kids. If there is no big influx in window cleaner sales with teenagers, they won't bother taking it away. Taking away all that stuff too makes it harder for shoppers, I mean what if you need a can of airfreshener and need to show your I.D. at the store. There is just too much shit for these retarded kids to get "high" on. Hell they could just get a pack of Morning Glory seeds or buy some nutmeg and get high.

we don't use R134, we use HFC134a, there is a difference.

thats right up there with vending machines that sell soiled womens panties.

The SAD thing is I've been to partys where people were inhaleing duster gas, and its not a preaty sight. Apparently it does more then block the oxygen to the brain. And it apparently gives you the fealing of being extreamly "high" and in some cases a serious nose bleed, eventually you just pass out and look like an asshole.

Now I drink now and then at partys but some people are just so stupid.

Sidenote: The only reason I did't leave the party was becasue it was at my best friends house and I did't want to leave him with the mess.

Mag

I have a new question that's somewhat related. I just bought some "134a power airgun gas" from airsoft kelowna, and I'm a little worried because it says power level GREEN(out put measured at 8kgs +/- o.5kgs) and under caution it says "keep away from and do not discharge gas near spark/ open flame."....so I'm a little worried that this is propane or something.

Anyone use this brand before?

A guy in P.E.I just died from duster gas.

I personally fail to see a problem with that. I knew the world was doomed when some 10-12 year old twig demanded I step outside and fight him because I refused to sell him something at an old job of mine. For the record, I was 20 at the time, 6' and a good 200lbs, and while the idea of turning the kid into paste was appealing at the time, jail time isn't really a goal of mine. I swear, I seen that kid in the news a few days later for stealing cars.

Volatile Psychosis , may I ask what the item was?

Where is MadMax when you need him?

Look guys, it's REALLY that simple.

First off - the R in 134 means Refridgerant - the HVAC community calls it that no matter if its CFC or HFC - the gas is used as a refridgerant.

HFC mean HYDROFLUROCARBON (Good!), as opposed to CFC, CLOROFLUROCARBON (Bad!) - they stopped making CFC's [Ref. Clean Air Act, Jan.1.1996]cause of the really really big hole in the ozone layer. Needless to say it's not a bunch of kids shooting their GBB's that's responsible for global warming...anyway...

GREEN GAS is just PROPANE! That's it! No really...really really! Like you know when, like, you go, like CAMPING, eh? Yaaaa...itz teh pRoPAN3!

Japanese GBB's were designed using standard R-12 and R-134a pressure limits [ASGK/JASC conformities - like ISO standards for Airsoft Manufaturing] , which is why you always hear these stories about peoples guns blowing up when using Green Gas/Propane. It's a lot harder on that $400 GBB than it was designed. I do believe the Taiwanese and other outside-japan GBB manufacturers have designed their GBB's with GreenGas in mind. It makes sense considering how expensive R134a is compared to Propane.

All that aside - NONE of any of the gasses mentioned above are ingestible. As well I wish society would stop protecting the Darwin Award winners from themselves. They obviously have a gene defect - who the fuck wants that to mix thru our pool? It's like wrapping a log of shit in a zip-lock bag just so it can float in the pool with us...???

R134a, R134, HFC134a are interchangable names used by the refrigerant industry to describe tetrafluoroethane. HFC134a is actually a descriptive name (HydroFluoroCarbon) the numbers indicate the quantity of hydrogen, fluorine, carbon atoms in the molecule according to a numbering scheme that industry has agreed upon. R22 is actually HCFC22 not HFC22 as often quoted in airsoft circles.

The fine for uncontrolled release does apply to refrigerant packaged R134a. I suspect that this is a legal holdover to prevent the release of R12, and R22 which are both phased out for ozone depleting reasons. While it isn't ozone depleting, R134a does have a high global warming potential (about 1300x higher than for CO2 IRC) so restrictions on it's large quantity release will probably not be removed.

I think the amounts of non refrigerant packaged R134a are so small in comparison to refrigerant purpose R134a that aerosol release is not regulated. Especially considering the immense global warming potential that automobiles represent. Restricting computer duster R134 is like going after the electronics industry for lead solder when improperly disposed lead acid batteries account for well over 80% of the lead content in garbage dumps.

If I had the time to chase the appropriate figures down, it may be that the global warming output for steel refining and manufacturing, and transportation of a duster can could exceed the GWP of the R134 that would be stored inside. It's funny how accounting figures end up sometimes.

Believe it or not, but at the time I was working at Subway. This kid comes in and asks me if I have any cigarettes to sell him, and I'm like hell no, then he asks me if I will walk over to the Macs convience store and buy him some, so I told him to get lost. At which point he asked me outside. I calmly replied that I'd feed his bones through a woodchipper before he knew what happened to him. He left.

I got a call from a lady later that day saying that someone threatened her son, of course "I hadn't heard anything about that"

BHUAHAHA, 'lil 'thug' went running to his mommy :mrgreen:

Thirteen was a stupid movie about a few girls who experimented with different drug usages, including Duster. It shows them inhaling it, so its give all the kids who see it the idea "wow i can get duster and its cheap and easy to buy".

Monkey see monkey do.

just one final question, if a GBB is classified as HFC134a ready, can you use either regular propane(with the AI adapter), Airsoft 'green gas', and HFC134a gas in the same gun, if they are technically the same.


and if this is true, than that means...

huh?


HFC134a-------------\
Crappy Tire Propane---|-------- all the same with different names??
AS Green gas---------/

do a little search instead of bringing back old dead threads

FYI: bringing back dead threads with no new relevant information is probably even more anoying than starting a compleetly new usless thread.

Seriously.

And not to mention I still see duster for sale.

Kids will sniff anything. I remember selling Ritalin to kids at school, they'd crush it up and snort it.

Far be it for me to stop them though. Was a quick 20 bucks.

You're seriosuly messed up Karbon...

Karbon, isn't Ritalin a controlled pharmaceutical? You can't just "sell it" to anyone, unless you're a pharmacist and they have a prescription. At least, it used to be controlled and can't understand why that would change.

Hey you can get duster gas from staples business depot. I got some today and tryed it in my Berreta and I found that it sucks propane is the way to go. Also you can get the multi adapter butane cans at Home Hardware for filling your mages with Duster gas like shown on this website.

http://qphreak.iwarp.com/airsoft/butane.htm

I know some people where asking where to get the adapters. Also using one of the adapters that come with the butane you can refill the butane cans with propain. But you need to make an adapter that will fit on the end of a propain torch. I will post detailed pics later this week when i fined out an easy way to make the adapter. you can also get rilly small butane cans with the same adapter that is used on the green gas cans at Canadian tire and they can be refilled with propane for use in the field. And there easy to carry around in your webbing.

Have any of you gone to Costco? They sell them in 6s for a good price.

Duster Propellant "proscribed" as a green house gas
 

I have a friend who is in the heating and cooling business, he says that the propellant in some types of Duster, Tryethyl--bla-bla has been proscribed as a green house gas and current stocks won't be replenished.

They are not pulling it from the market so much as simply not making it any more for distribution in Canada.

the Diethyl--- bla bla version has not been proscribed yet.. and is still avalible, but not a viable propellant for guns due to a lower coefficient of expansion.

Anyway... propane is the way to go..

Technically it still is but it's issued so freaking often that it doesn't really matter any more.