Realsword is to Norinco as Izmash is to Izmash
 

So it appears Izmash has entered into the AEG market. Although not the first time the company has tried to venture into the Airsoft market. The last time would be the yunker-5 C02 NBB rifle in 6mm. The new rifle is a Replica of a AK-74.

My own thoughts are it better be made of steel and reasonably priced as these will be mass manufactured.

http://www.izhmash.ru/pix/news/airsoft.jpg
From the Izmash site (translated via google)

Izhmash WILL ISSUE airsoft ARMS FALL 2012

In early July 2012 in the Design and Technology Centre NGO "Izhmash" complete design and manufacture the first prototype of the AK-74M version of airsoft, destined to play airsoft.

For fans of fighting games designer claimed today Izhmash developed electro-arms, in which a shot is provided by an engine running on battery.

Appearance, weight, shape and dimensions of the product are identical famous AK-74M. Weapon can fire single shots as well as bursts.
АК-74М в версии airsoft

Technical rate - 800 rounds per minute. Forged barrel caliber 6.03 mm manufactured using technologies similar to those for which the samples are fighting AK, and provides high accuracy of the results. Just shoot an AK-74M airsoft version of the classic no ammunition, and balls with a diameter of 6 mm.
Ижмаша разработал электропневматическое оружие

The initial rate of approximately 135 m / s, but may vary depending on the weight of the bullet is fired, and firing power plant. Tests of the first sample of the AK-74M airsoft versions, have already taken place. When firing from a distance of 50 meters diameter bullets scatter did not exceed 30 cm, for airguns shot with low energy (less than 7.5 kJ) is more than worthy exponent.

Among the other advantages of electro-weapons designer noted morozoustoy-bility, ease of loading, repeating, ease of use and safety, as well as

durability and lack of restrictions on its distribution.

As the technology version of airsoft are very similar to the production of military AK-74M, the plant plans to enter the mass production of this product in September 2012.

According to experts, the demand for the product will grow in proportion to the popularity of airsoft games, which is constantly gaining momentum (now officially registered 40,000 players in airsoft, and most of them have a few weapons for the game). Also, the AK-74M will be in demand for recreational shooting, and basic military training of youth in the DOSAAF.

sure hope they don't use real receivers

GBBR or GTFO

baaaaaaah!

I agree btw.

Well, shit. On the one hand, we don't really need another AK on the market. One the other hand

As cool as Izmash as a name will be what can they really bring to the Airsoft AK market that VFC/LCT hasn't already done? Slim grips? That would mean a new motor and judging by the picture it's probably 3rd party V3 Cyma or similar mechboxes. I highly doubt they'll take the time to design any kind of new mechbox.
Now if they can bring a full steel good quality build for a fraction of the price as a VFC/LCT then that would be something.

You could say that ,but we also don't need 50,000 more M4's put out on the market every year.

I like this :), Can get an Izmash AK to put into my collection now~

Great... I've barely even used my Real Sword and another nice AK74 gets put out. Fuck.

Why does the wiki entry on izhmash say they are bankrupt?

Izhmash operates in several fields, the same way as Mitsubishi makes cars, electronics, planes and heavy machinery. The small arms branch of Izhmash is arguably profitable but some other branch (automotive, IIRC) went bankrupt.

edit from wiki:

The Kalashnikov has become the Russian people's greatest export. After that comes vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists. One thing is for sure, no one was lining up to buy their cars.


It appears to be pretty true :D

You do know Lord of Wars movie was supported by various gun control groups right? (The ones the favor UN ATT)

Realsword doesn't make an AK-74.. that's part of the problem. No really nice ones, to my knowledge, exist yet.

Unfortunately no, or any 100-series AK for that matter. Otherwise, if they did I would have those instead. :(

YES, exactly, it is hard to find a really nice ak74. The classic army's are about as good as it gets for aeg's and i think they are discontinued actually.

Im looking forward to the release, Hopefully with lots of steel parts :)
And an AK-105 would be awesome.
the trades are a nice bonus too
They dont need to try to re invent the wheel with internals or slim grips.

just needs to be a bit better than cyma (not that difficult) and im sold.

Fuck the AK 74, I want this piece of ugly!

http://www.operatorchan.org/k/src/134090251789.jpg


One can dream...

I was really enjoying this thread, and then I saw that ^^ and almost puked..

Yea, gotta read up on that.. Not sure about Russian laws and real recievers..

I agree that would awesome, buy in heartbeat.

Pretty sure he was worried about Canadian law.

screw that AK12 AEK-971 or AN94 PLEASE!

http://static.ogc.hu/images/content/.../AEK-971-1.jpg

Hey, it seems Izhmash already manufactures a "dummy" AK74. Maybe they are gonna use it as the base for their airsoft guns.

http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/product/mmg.shtml

Yea, I know. I was thinking if its even allowed in Russia.. If not, then for sure we would have no problems here in Canada.

I wouldnt mind those, we need something a little different. And the receiver doesnt look like it was crudely beatin into shape by a small child with a mallet and a piece of clay. as does the other one mentioned.

We would have all the problems in Canada if that were the case.

Izmash did use real receivers for their BB Makarov and Tokarev guns IIRC, although I don't think they had any trouble with Canadian law for some reason. Perhaps because they were re-manufactured at the factory into BB frames and no one knew about it really.

Is that means that this will not have a inner/outer barrel?

Baikal, NOT Izhmash, is the one who produce the Makarov(both real steel and Co2 version), as well as converting surplus Tokarev's, and Pa Pa Sha's(yes you read me right(using Drozd internals): PPSH shooting (Ã�¿Ã�½Ã�µÃ�²Ã�¼Ã�°Ñ‚Ã�¸Ñ‡Ã�µÑÂ�Ã� ºÃ�¸Ã�¹ Ã�ŸÃ�ŸÃ�¨) MP-562k - YouTube) into CO2 bb guns.

It should be noticed that this is not Izhmash's first effort into the realm of airsoft: One version of their famous Yunker series of CO2 rifles(which are essentially the CO2 version of their AK-74 series), fires 6mm airsoft BBs instead of the usual 4.5mm steel BB's:

http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/product/yunker5.shtml

Won't lie. Want.

Hmm, muzzle energy up to 3J?

OMG I need that aeg!

Russian airsoft is srs bsns.

Now I want one, just to test the hell out of it

Useing it as a step and to carry guys nearly made me change my pants lol!

I want!

Was the one that broke while being stepped on one of these AKs or a Chinese replica? I think there was only Russian captions at the point in the video.

Lovely video, still don't need a second AK, though :)

Do want!

Omg did the end titles say AN-94, SVD and PP-19 01 Vityaz?

It sure did !

no, AEG with more than 3J is illegal in Russia. So, Izhmash aeg will be less than 3J.

Broken AK was Chinese replica.

YES !:D

omfgggggggggggg AN-94 DO WANT.

A New Challenger has Appeared!

AN94? It a dream come true!

All I can say is they better not use steel receivers that are the same as their real firearms. I got boned in the wallet having legally bought 2 of those Chinese air rifles a year ago from www.replicaairguns.com Turned out, they were real Type 56 and Type 56-B receivers with BB internals in them like the Yunker. RCMP deemed them to be illegal as someone with the money to burn and technological know-how could turn them into real Type 56s.

As long as they permanently alter the receiver or make a receiver that can't house real internals, I don't see anyone having a problem with it.

And c'mon guys REALLY, why WOULDN'T you want an AK AEG/GBB made by the original maker of the AK-47 and many of it's descendants?!!! How friggin cool is that?!!! If you've ever held a real Izhmash AK, you'll know what I'm talking about. If you haven't held one, go Vacay in Ukraine like I did. FREAKIN AWESOME!!!

Wow Izmash is getting desperate. Rumore has it that there having a hard time keeping there heads up financially... Its been heard they maybe going belly-up...

If anything government is going to save them.

Izmash's new AK12 is almost done its design stage (sorry, video in Russian):
AK-12 new Kalashnikov assault rifle (with Eng subtitles) - YouTube

They actually sell more AK's to the US than they do to Russia!
Their civilian market/percentage is about 50%.

They should make an airsoft AK 12 instead, that selector switch looks amazing.

OP said the AK74M goes into mass production sept. of this year. Any updates on that?

now what we need to do now is do a comparison test between the AK74M and the Real Sword Type 56 and try to break the externals

I'm pretty sure AK74M going to be stronger than RS Type 56-1..
RS is strong.. but not that strong :(

I'll never understand why people buy the 56-1, the under fold stock is such shit... uh... I mean in my opinion the under folding stock is not as good as the full stock or the side folding 56-2. :D

If you're going to do a durability test use the 56-2, the stock on that thing is bombproof.

If I bought a 56-1, I'd just take the stock off. I have little faith in "wire" stocks. Granted, most of my long guns are folding stock types, but the design of the thinner types just worries me.

Well, real AK underfolding stock is probably a lot stonger than Realsword's..
Full stock is "too big" and Type 56-2 is plastic..

I had wooden handguards and pistol grip on my 56-2 for a while it looked bad ass.

rumor is that its gonna cost $550 USD.
http://forum.guns.ru/forums/icons/fo...03/6603003.jpg
http://forum.guns.ru/forums/icons/fo...02/6602884.jpg
http://forum.guns.ru/forums/icons/fo...02/6602842.jpg

It looks purrrtttyyy.

I wish this is a GBB...
Would be interested to see the comparison between Izmash to LCT. LCT claim to use RS process.

Apparently price is going to be $820 usd in Russia... :(

Does a real AK74 cost that much?

They need a smack in the face. Who's going to buy it?

Average Russian's monthly pay won't be able to afford it.

Exports....they're fighting a lot of compeititors.
--Real Sword already dominates the high end airsoft AK with Type 56 (most insurgents in middle east runs either AKM or Type 56)
--LCT is another high end external...at nearly 1/3 of the price
--VFC is another mid-high end at 1/2 the price

I can't really see them going successful with this.
If they can make GBB with the same internal parts material as AK74 I can totally see a problem for all AK GBB manufacture.

That would also prevent it from being imported here if it were to be made with the same material as the real version especially to the very talented and the expertise of ATF down in the states.

you gotta realize that same material does not mean same part or interchangeable internal parts with AK74.

You forgot the ATF "Expert" notes on how the WE M4 with the right knowledge and expertise can be converted to fire real bullets? Or the Seizure of "replica" AK that police claimed to be made with the same material from the real steel counterpart factory that can be converted to fire actual 7.62 ammo Lol.

ATF retracted the claim on the WE M4
ATF did made a JG M4 fire (From what I recall, the receiver was destroyed within 10 rounds)
The RCMP seizure of the replica AK was because it use the same exact receiver for the Type 56 without modification

This is a can of worms you're opening to.

An originally designed receiver fitted with airsoft/replica stuff = bad
An originally designed receiver modified slightly to make tit airsoft/replica = grey zone
specifically design receiver for airsoft/replica = less problemanic.
LCT claim they use the same manufacturing process, material for its AK build (GHK uses LCT external for its AK)

The ATF thing got retracted after all the other more qualified expert recovered from laughing so hard and informed the idiot he was wrong.
I don't think you catch my attempt on seeing it on the humourous side of all this. try to picture this you are a ATF/CBSA agent working your normal shift and this box arrive you checked it, its a AK variant from izmash, quick google-fu or through your limited knowledge of Airsoft and firearms you set off alarm bells in the office, only later on you find out it's just a freakin toy. where is your imagination? i could totally see that happening.
Manufacturing process and actual use of material advertising can be in a different version through human intrepertation or error be depicted as the same as real steel counterparts ie. PMS from japan eons ago use to make metal body for MP5, we (HotShots) brought in a few body kits and a few more complete AEG. by some miracle or act of God CBSA discover the original advertising on Combat magazine (before the age of internet) claiming to be 100%accurate weight and material of the real thing guess how many alarm bells were sounded, I believe that AEG is still at the RCMP testing center along with the others we sent for testing.

Wrong Ying.

They were modified. The RCMP said you could convert them back with a little work to an AK(Type 56).

You really should just stop while your not ahead.

Izmash is indeed bankrupt as of April 2012 but this probably won't stop much of it's production as they are going into the airsoft buisness.

http://www.strikeup.ru/uploads/image...d4a66.view.jpg
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more info and photos - http://airsoft4you.ru/pro-airsot/izh...deo-rost-2012/

1) Light weight
2) w/o backlash
3) AK74 will "eat" both china`s magazines and Izhmash magazines
4) On the presentation it was Cyma gearbox (3rd version) but Izhmash representer said that the gearbox will be another firm and.. 492 FPS in stock
5) The airsoft gun will have own hop-up (Izhmash)
6) no inner barrel: forged barrel 6,03-6,02 (see the image above )
7) Will be gas guns? Probably will be SVD and SVD-S

#6 sketches me out. No inner barrel is worrisome. I hope that thats wrong

"w/o backlash" ??
As in no blowback?

Look at the pic, the inner is attached to the outer. Weird, but I assume it would eliminate any wobble... as long as the barrel quality is good it shouldn't be an issue, though you wouldn't be able to replace it.

Yes, NO inner barrel. An Yes, it is *******
the airsoft gun was made without any backlash/play. The quality of assembly is perfect.

sorry for English =\

Cyma gearbox...... you can say goodbye to 1:1 dimensions :(

You dont play that often anyways Oscar =P

.....YEA WELL YOU KNOW WHAT!?



Your right...... :(

I wonder if they are going to chrome line the barrel then. On the bright side not having a inner barrel will mean your barrel will be made of steel instead of softer metals like brass or aluminum.

It could be a liner barrel type setup...I doubt they would machine the barrel to those tolerances, then ream and polish it.

Chroming an uneven bore just results in a shiny uneven bore.

Did you see my Sexy new Type97? =D

Looks more like curio collector item, rather than airsoft item. It's a failure IMO.

Standart gearbox v3.
Gerabox, gear and other componets compatible with Tokyo Marui
492 FPS in stock
Own (custom) hop-up but will be compatible with any "Tokyo Marui standart" hop-up

Marking «ИЖ-124» and «Кал. 6,0 мм» will changed to "УТВ" (учебно-тренировочная винтовка/training rifle).

Price:
From $905 to $1000 USD. Magazine - $55. The stock version will be delivered with 4 magazines.

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Picture is worth a million words, so video is worth a thousand pictures.

The price of the rifle is making it almost seem like the new AK PTW.

Not a surprise,
Had they clone the PTW internal it would've been much more....appealing

how would they clone a PTW internals? Systema doesn't make AKs. the MP5 and M4s use similar parts, but they are not all interchangeable. an AEG MP5 & M4 both share the V2 gearbox, where as an AK can only fit a V3, so a PTWish system would have to be designed to fit inside those dimension.

Wow i'm wondering what they are thinking with those prices. I understand it's an AK made from the actual factory that makes AK's. And don't get me wrong it does look good but good enough to command a price twice as high as the current high end AK replica?

And speaking of AK PTW rumors are Fight Club are developing one.

not rumors they ARE!

Wow, for that price? Screw that :/ completely unattainable on a student budget.

:(

question still unanswered.. are they using real AK receivers? because if so.. it's prohibited in Canada

If they are using Cyma gearboxes or other TM compatible, probably not.

probably is not for certain..


Id rather not buy one of these things and then have the RCMP tactical unit kick down my door and bust me for possession of a prohibited firearm.

They did exactly that when the China made BB guns were mistakenly permitted for import with re-manufactured type 56 receivers.

AFAIK Any Ver III gearbox will have to gut out extensively to the point there's not much left (material wise) inside.

Cloning does NOT mean you do copy, paste. I'm talking about stealing an idea. PTW Hop-up System, PTW Gearbox, motor (please fix the issue though), cylinder etc.
It's not impossible.

if it starts it's life as an AK receiver.. it does not matter how much it's modified.. it's always an AK receiver as far as the RCMP is concerned.

Yeah, the same people brought us the Type 97 fiasco. I highly doubt they're using real recievers, but as you state, doubt isn't fact. I'd also like some clarification on this.

If it is, I really wonder how if the Russian government will prevent export.

I would pay a grand for one of these. Even though I have two perfectly good AKs already. The cachet is worth it. I doubt it would ever drop in value. A Timex keeps as good time as a Rolex, but people still buy Rolex.