Tokyo Marui M870
 

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Creating an official thread for this

It's beginning to hit the market. Release date is NOW. Companies are taking pre-orders now, and I have access to a few. More information has been made available for this system:

- Retail Price in Japan: ~$395 CAD (once landed in Canada, it will be more than that)

- Fires a selectable 3 rounds OR 6 rounds per shot.

- Gas powered

- Gas Reservoir is stored in the full stock, and can be removed and replaced like a gas cartridge.

- Each gas reservoir is able to fire 100 shots. In other words, if you're shooting 3 rounds, you can put 300 rounds downrange on each tank of gas. These ratings are on duster gas. Unknown performance on propane.

- Can use old Marui shells, or the new ones

- Each shell holds 30 rounds

- Features a patent-pending industry first: Dual hop up system. Each system controls the spin on 3 BB's. With 3 BB's being fired, only one system is engaged. 6BB's engages both systems.

- FULL METAL, where it all should be! Die cast aluminum receiver, and metal outer barrel

- Online videos show Marui reps racking this thing single handed... to prove that there is durability in the cocking mechanism.

I've been looking forward to a GOOD shotgun for airsoft for years. Many companies have tried... all have failed. Durability and performance were always the biggest downfalls. I am expecting good things from this, and am excited to get my hands on one.

http://www.popularairsoft.com/files/...ew/M870_03.jpg
Image of the gas reservoir

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Image of the hop up unit and 3>6 round selector

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http://www.popularairsoft.com/files/...ew/M870_01.jpg

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Looks sweet. Wonder what the fps would be on propane (hopefully above minimum import levels) if it can handel propane.
And 395? I think you need a new suppliers. Echigoya has em for 289 (pre order but i doubt they will bump em up 100 bucks.
Do want for CQB goodness.

Vid of it in action.

2013静岡ホビーショ ー M870TACTICAL 試射 - YouTube

$395 is not the price from my suppliers. It is definitely less. $395 is just the published RETAIL price under normal conditions. In other words, it's MSRP. It's only the suggestion. How much a supplier sells for, is up to them. The MSRP is only a reference point.

I doubt this gun can shoot 3 rounds of BB's over import levels using propane. If it did, that's a lot of hurt in a single burst. But... you never know. It's always possible, especially if the inner barrel(s?) runs the full length of the outer barrel.

Sweet mother of God.

I'd be down for one of these. My m500 is fun on CO2 but I don't always want to run the KWA remote.

Would be awesome to game this with a couple of working glocks... :) (still not in a rush, whenever you find time) lol

Wow, wow & WOOOOOOW, Don't know how I missed this amazing development!!

Do i wait for reviews, or just take the plunge?

I wonder if there will be multiple versions of it. ie : military/civi/sport etc?

-alex

*edit, I'm liking the shell eject feature @ the end :o

This is so badass!!!

I have already set aside the funds for when it hits Canada.
Can't freaking wait.

Great, another one to save up for...*sigh*

Seconded. The first time I saw this my shotgun love swarmed back to me.

If it had a no stock option it would finally make the Masterkey a viable option. Too bad! I'd be all over it then.

No stock would be possible but it would really reduce the gas capacity.
But i hear that a gas masterkey wouod be alot beter then the trishot i have planed.

Holy crap... I already have HPA rigs for P*

I am totally gonna try to get this rigged up for non perminant HPA

I've resisted shotgun temptation for years; waiting like a trapdoor spider for the time to be right. This could be it!

They're actually the next items up on my bench.

Knowing how Marui's been doing their releases lately, I wouldn't be surprised if this happens. Additionally, the aftermarket will be picking up this platform en force. Expect conversion kits and tons of upgrades to become available.

Wonder if real pumps would fit. Stocks won't work due to the gas system.

kinda reminds me of the maruzen except it doesnt eject shells

Really hoping they make a SPAS 12 model.

これはアップグレードショットガン, すごいね! Maruzen シェルちょっと難し...

I was wondering this also, if so, i'll add to my magpul whore collection.

Sweet

Mind making that legible for the rest of us?

Make them fit :P could probably rig up an external gas line XD

That is my plan :P

this -- an upgrade shotgun -- it is great! Difficulty is carried out to Maruzen shell ちょっ...

This looks awesome, アップグレードショットガン! Maruzen shell a little difficult.

I love that they kept the same magazines from the springer line. I'm pretty excited to see the aftermarket modifications for this thing.

I hope it would half durable as Remington 870, more or less I would buy one in heart beat.

Its TM, so its a safe bet that it will be quite durable.
I can't wait to get one of these.

durable as hell.
TM never let me down :D

Wow, this is very pretty.

I would like to add this to my collection.

Anyone had any hint on the impact on fps when running 6 bbs at a time on propane?

Unknown at this time. Anything quoted at this time, would be based on measurements made with Duster gas.

It comes out on Thursday, (Wednesday afternoon for us :P)

So if anybody here trolls japan forums, they might get some info Wednesday night :P

Thanks, I m very curious to see how it will "react" to propane!!

Definitely curious. Hopefully nothing a little TLC couldn't fix.

What I do want to see is a break down of the gas system/reservoir. On the ACM m500, it was fairly easy to seal it to eliminate the gas leak. So much so, the gas reservoir now doesn't leak at all and has no issues when running CO2. Gas tank now operates like a CO2 expansion chamber and provides fairly consistent output.

We should expect aftermarket co2 kit :) the m870 stock is asking for it!!

I plan on tapping a gas res for HPA, probably have to run the line though the bottom of the stock.
Will need to wait till I have one to figure it all out.

I wonder how hard it will be to get extra gas res's for the next year.

Redwolf had some res on pre order

Not hard at all. They're being released at the same time as the gun, and most major retailers already have it listed.

@ $40/ea, probably closer to $60 landed if you just buy one.
That is about average price for GBB(R) mags, Not bad. Hopefully they can keep them in stock :P

Sweet! Shotty with CO2 goodness

C02, full metal, TM and shotgun in the same phrase can only be good!

Realistically, I can't see needing more than one reservoir... maybe one as a spare, but I think that single one is sufficient, at least for a game day. Again, you can get 100 shots out of a single reservoir. The intent isn't to swap them in and out like a magazine (at least, it doesn't seem like it can be easily/quickly done while in the middle of running and gunning. I think the purpose is for extended field ops where you wouldn't have a chance to go back to reload.

Otherwise, for a skirmish, 100 shots with a shotgun should be plenty...

Holy crap, I didn't think it would be able to hold that much gas. That is nuts.

Yeah. Mind you, that quoted value is based on duster usage, so it may be different, with propane.

Illusion, if you are ganna carry some of these, put me on the list.

Plus one.

Anyone planning on doing a review in the near future?

as soon as I have one I'll do what I can :P

Some eye candy video-age.

http://youtu.be/3t0HBxvdYRM?t=3m7s

- Gas in separate chamber (At the back)
- Shoots 3 to 6 shots
- corrected

Still want one.

On redwolf website I see a 'yes' on blowback. Anyone know anything about it being blowback?!?!....

- corrected

If anyone is gonna bring these in, sign me up...I got money and cookies.

That looks pretty sweet!

As someone that has owned a TM M3 for going on 3 years, the amount of excitement I feel is unreal. My M3 has been through a LOT of action and aside from a broken tri-nozzle(which easily swapped with a crossman one 2.5 years ago) it's run like the Champ we know TM to be.

Just have to play the waiting game now.

$302.00 Pre-Order

Here

http://www.wgcshop.com/wgc2008/main/...em=TM-SG-M870T

True, I will play the waiting game and see which retailer going to bring in there while we're waiting Please excuse me, I'm going to grab a Remington 870 tactical to kill sometime and make this game more existing. Hope some parts will be interchangeable.

Alot cheaper then the $900 quote that has been given by Canada retailers.

Isn't everyone preordering around that price point?

That's because it's an NBB.

It's not. Must be an error on their part. The real Remington M870 isn't a semi-auto either, so there's no reason why it would have any form of blowback.

Re-check your facts.

I thought it was a double barrel pump like on the Simpsons?

Release is today!

Hopefully aqua can get some pics up tonight! :P

Any idea who will be starting a preorder here?

Someone posted ut up while ago in ASC.

http://www.popularairsoft.com/new-to...oka-hobby-show

yes!

You cant slamfire 870s in real life though

<<--- This Guy

idea on pricing yet?

I would expect the 700$ mark since it way below the magic 366 fps :(

Why are you giving Brian ideas? set the bar low to start...

Well, i will be one of those ordering this Boom stick for sure.

Patience is virtual. Wait and watch the price comes down. This is not a "one off" product. TM will keep producing it for years.

Indeed. It exists only in the digital realm.


On a more serious note, this looks fantastic. I'm not really a shotgun person, but if they end up being as good as they sound and I see one for the right price I might just pick one up.

So Redwolf just announced they got the Marui today!

Yes you can.

Maybe with some heavy modifications. A stock Rem 870 cannot slamfire.

Tokyo Marui M870 TACTICAL (GAS SHOTGUN) - YouTube WOW ...

Woooooooooooow

That six shot blast is I N S A N E !!!

That video made me break! Just ordered one!

The shell are compatible with the clone one? (Crossman)

Example:

http://www.airsoftgi.com/mobile/product_info.php?products_id=3222

Anyone know the fps on GG/propane yet? Im reluctant to order one till i see its over 366 lol

Hard part is mesuring fps on multi bb shot, i doubt it will be over 366 fps in any case, TM are around 280. I recall a test done on multi shot with gel to measure penetration a while ago.

Found it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrzxgDelZnk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I can think of a way to measure a single BB output from a burst. But... would need the gun in hand to see if it can be done.

Can you shoot only one round with the shell? Ie you load one round only in the 30 rounds shell. Crony could read that

That wouldn't give a proper reading.

You're better off shielding two of the barrels so that the rounds and gas eject properly, so that the rounds are re-directed. Focus just one barrel through the chrony

Indeed! You would "block" the other barrel?

So how is CBSA gonna view these things. How will they test?
Guess ill either have to take a chance or get butt raped with markup

No... not a block, because that would affect output to the single open barrel. I would just redirect the shots from those barrels.

Smart!

Please share your result if you don t mind :)

I still wonder, will it be compatible with crossman / utg shells?

Well the old style tm shells work fine in the crossman tri shot so id imagine they should work as the new one says it works with the old shells

Cool!! Thanks :)

Redwolf says they loaded 1bb and tested it. Result was 300fps just to get the info out there. Seems not a huge gain by running 1 bb for testing they didnt specify GG or duster tho

Anyone know what is the inner barrel length? Flush with outer barrel? As is cut the outer barrel for a shorty shotty!!!

They're clones of the TM shells, so yes.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v...type=2&theater

Redwolf hands on video. They confirm that the inner barrels are half length and that its propane compatible. Installing longer inner barrels once upgrades are available will more than likely put the FPS over 366 on propane, with all that it implies... ;)

The pumping sound is wicked!!

I hope the fore grip and cocking mechanism doesn't wear down easy...