Using a dead man's weapon
 

So I'm currently watching the Evike NSRT discussion for this week, and one of the first questions was about improvising during gear breakdown or weapon malfunctions. Matt talks about a story of how he used the sniper rifle of a teammate after said teammate was killed. And now I'm starting to wonder if there are any clear rules on this in general

As long as you're not outright just stealing it from your teammate, would using their weapon like this during a milsim be taboo or is this totally fine?

imo its the same as asking for a mag if your out of ammo, granted u cant "ask" a dead player for their gun so long as its understood before hand by teammates that one may pilfer from the bodies of fallen comrades i dont see an issue. So long as said player has the cert to use said sniper rifle lol

I've done it plenty of times
It REALLY helps to hide vital info from the enemy sometimes.
For example, at one night op I was by myself behind cover suppressing an enemy base for about an hour, they wouldn't come out to get me since it was open field between me and them and I had NVG.
Buddy of mine makes it to my position, lets off one burst then got shot.
I kept alternating between both guns to make it seems like there was still two people behind the barricade. Worked great.

As long as game rules permit it I do not see why not.

This comes to mind lol....
 

I picked up an M249 off our dead support gunner during NF3 in an attempt to suppress some windows, only for the battery to disconnect and me get shot in the process!

If you're going to pick up a dead guy's gun, make sure you know that it works!

I always do, especially when there's a dead mans M249 on the ground, how could one resist it?!

i know were all about the realism and what not, however I dont think the "dead man tell no tales" applies when grabbing someones personal gear. Unless you really know that person maybe, however you should still ask as it is theirs. I know i wouldn't just give my PTW out especially to people prone to braking guns or having fits with them for example. Just my 2 cents.

Exactly. It's an "out of character" courtesy. The same as if you see someone bleeding after they get hit, you won't be all "fuck him, he's dead" you'll check if he's okay.

LOL, if I was dead and someone ran up to grab my gun they would quickly learn A) this dead man has a solid grip and B) ask and I might honour the request. :)

all sorts of shenanigans seem to happen at bigger games.

at NF3 my support gunner's drum mag jammed and he ran out of back up midcaps. I was hit but I was running a g36 as well so he started pulling mags out of my vest as I was bleeding out. lol

Also switched off with another teammate some time later cause his scar started doing weird things, so I gave him my g36 while I tried to troubleshoot his scar on the fly.

I would clear it with teammate and game control first.
I've been bouncing around the ideal of assistant machinegunners. When the machinegunner gets hit the assistant takes over.

If you can trust your teammates, every rifleman can be trained to operate the SAW keeping it in play longer. If I recall the US army trains squads to revolve around and keep the SAW up as long as possible.

This actually happened to me & a teammate a few months ago during an 8H OP. Our right flank was wiped out & we were the last ones left (without comms durr, I bought some right after that game) when we saw an enemy DM sneaking up. My teammate's P90 had just gone down, & I got shot in the head. With the OPFOR trying to evaluate the situation, my mate grabbed my rifle & shot him in the ass. Ahhh, the memories.

My two cents, you shouldn't be a "teammate" if you can't trust him with your weapon. If your on my team, you have full access to my kit. And by team I mean the guys I show up with and share a patch. Now a random player, probably not unless I've seen them at other events and respect how they play the game.

i dont mean your "team" i mean the other guys on which ever side your on. I would assume you have gotten to trust your team members.

General rule of thumb for me:

If they have the courtesy to ask me if they can use my gun, they pretty much can use it.

If they just reach for it - I have no idea who you are - then we have a problem.

Let me rephrase my original statement: He was a random guy from out of town that I had just met after giving him some covering fire.

That´s what we do in my squad, the saw needs to run no mather what


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Depends If I know the guy. Ive have had given mags to teammates who have run out of ammo, just for them losing my freaking mag minutes later, and then not even having the courtesy of trying to find it. Happened with one of my pricey p-mags, fuck that shit lol

Use it if there is no game ammo limit per player.

I would say that the spirit of "dead men tell no tales" is that dead players do not reveal or discuss tactical information their team mates. If someone wants to cry about someone asking to borrow my rifle (while dead) and I hand it to them, they can cry for all I care. Dead men laugh at crybabies.

I've grabbed the boss' m60 twice now while he was being healed during our vietnam games. Never bothered to ask, just figured he didn't mind. Those were the only 2 times i used a saw, I want one now.

Grabbing an unknown persons riffle, saw or even pistol is an obvious no go in my books.

If it is people/a person that i am familiar with/have seen around before at the game, and i have a good impression of them (ie they ain't gonna be hi-tailing it to the cars to take off with it, or wack it up against a tree baseball-bat style on purpose), borrow away.

Heck, i've still been alive, but seen a person that is much more combat effective than i am, experiencing gun troubles.. and handed off my primary to them to keep the wolves at bay.

I always bring a back-up rifle to the field with me.. rarely is it myself, that has used it. Some of my guns have more mileage in other peoples hands, than my own.

But then, i'm naively trusting in that way. Not been stung, yet..

Two opposing quotes come to mind
"From my cold dead hands" & "Pass the Torch"
I can see the logic in wanting to get the Sniper or the SAW back into action right away.
However Both specialized Items are a bitch to keep running correctly and prone to quirks both from the gun and the owners. If shit goes bad you could find yourself on the hook for a cash payment or a stigma that lasts well past the Glory of the game.
I don't think there's a 'standard' that applies outside of the Fundamental of 'Good Sportsmanship' that's a core value in this hobby.

I only ever handed a weapon off once.

I wasn't dead & neither was he. His gun was down and he said "quick give me your rifle; I know where they are". Since this was during a large objective based Film-sim I passed it over.

He proceeded to weld down his trigger finger in full auto; dry firing for about a minute. Then it stopped. He looked at me and said "you don't use hi-caps" handed it back and ran off.

That was also the last time I handed off a weapon.