Systema AEG m4
 

Hello, I'm Vek and I'm kinda new here
I have been reading on some forums in the search for Systema AEG info and i didn't find much. I'm guessing its cause of the high prices, anyhow if anyone have some personal experience with such tools I would be glad to hear everything :)
in particular I'm looking for information of compatibility of Systema AEG m4 with parts such TM such as magazines and intellect batteries.
Thanks Vek

For starters, it may be better for you to fill your profile so that local players (to you) can assist you better.

Secondly, get age-verified or go to a game/meet to see for yourself what is used.

By all accounts, Systema guns are the top of the heap BUT... for that cost you can get perfectly acceptable equipment from Marui, CA, ICS and other established brands.

As far as I can remember, systema guns take systema mags because of the system where once you fire the last bb it shuts off the power till you reload.

google, "systema ptw review" gets you a barrel full of reviews;

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ema+ptw+review

Although the Arnie's one is most likely the most reliable;

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/?filn...m16_review.htm

And right here on this board;

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...hlight=systema

Systema M4's ($2K) cost more than a real M4's ($1500 from Wolverine). The ammo is cheaper and you can't shoot your friends (without getting in trouble), but if you're looking to drop that kind of cash, why buy a toy?

Cause it is a sweet sweet AEG, that until you join the club you just cannot understand.

thanks
 

Thanks for all the help and links.
I hope that I manage to change my profile to suit the requirements of the forum.

thanks again Vek

Mmm hmm, because unless you're age verified you're not qualified to ask questions or receive answers here. And everyone that registers here can be age verified. :rolleyes:

/points to vekcna's location

He didnt have his out of country location posted when Grey did Gryphon.

But no you do not need to be age verified to ask questions.


veckna, touch base with Spitfire here on these boards, he's from your side of the pond and a Systema owner to boot. He can fill you in more on whats available and pricing to you over there.

Many people on arnies state that the Systema PTW's are money pits... for the price they dont even perform as well as a normal AEG for half the price...

Just a small note for those who are looking at the Systema PTWs...

ouch.. I'll stick with my marui, thank you.

Well that statement is incorrect. The batteries do not need to be Systema ones, they just need to be 7.2v which is what they require.

Mags are only about $60cdn new now (I got mine used for less), and yes they must be Systema but that is part of the design of no dry firing which you are buying when you get a systema

The receiver is by far above and beyond anything from Guarder.

Accuracy is great, no need to change out a 6.03 Systema barrel.....


So other then mags (which you need anyways with any gun), a 7.2v battery ($30), and if you want upgraded Cylinders (which can be ordered direct with no import issues for about $230).

Aren't the stock cylinders already top-notch?

I've heard that the hurricane bodies are alot higher quality than the Systema ones, but I'm kind of doubtful.

I really want to get the challenge kit after bmq is done... fark... >_<

Well the new PTW Max units come with I believe the M130 cylinder unit which shoots at about 430fps.

m90 is around 320fps
M110 is around 380fps

http://www.3donuts.com/Download.asp - Systema Product Manuals and specs.
http://www.3donuts.com/ProTWS.asp
http://www.3donuts.com/download/CutSheet_Cost.pdf
http://www.3donuts.com/download/CutS...cification.pdf
http://www.3donuts.com/download/Manual_M16.pdf
http://www.3donuts.com/download/Manual_M4.pdf

Only parts needed to upgrade/downgrade the systema AEG:
http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...l?prodID=19672
http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...l?prodID=20545
http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...l?prodID=19671
http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...l?prodID=19672

lille coment...
systema is the best thing i have ever seen! it performs better than al other aegs...
stop shooting ads realism
wheiht and size is same as real
quality is outstanding
price is very high, but worth the money (at least for me)
if you tune a normal aeg up to such a performance, you wont spent very much less than for a systema... but a systema will be much more durable


cheers

Had I known you were in Israel, the recommendations would have been totally different. My reply fit the information I had at the time.
No, you dont need to be age-verified there. It's only required in Canada.

Why buy an airsoft there? Is the sport played enough to make it worth it? Can you not get the real guns with less problems?

Being a Systema owner myself, I can tell you their engineering and craftsmanship are second to none. I have opened up guns from pretty much every manufacturer and they're all slight variations on a common theme. Systema PTWs are completely different. No other parts are compatible from any other manufacturer.

The MAX series come with an M150 cylinder kit and all others models are rated for use with the M130 kit right out of the box. Accuracy of the stock PTW differs little from any other AEG, and tightbore barrels are available for the PTW. You can change a barrel assembly in a PTW in less than 30 seconds.

Many guys are fearful because of the price and the logic that it's a very expensive gun that will break just like a Marui or CA. That just is ignorance talking. Those that have never even seen one have no business even posting in this thread, let alone offering opinions like "I'll stick to Marui" or garbage like that.

If you have ever seen, used or owned a PTW, you WILL understand. They are the best AEG out there. Period!!!!

Exactly what does age verification have to do with magazine and battery compatibility?

If you want to know about gun parts, you probably intend to buy the gun. So that's what age-verification has to do with it.

What I am curious about now is if airsoft is popular in Israel in the first place. If not, then the expense to buy the Systema makes little sense. Not saying it's bad, far from it, but it IS costly.

If you dont really play, it's cost becomes a factor. If real guns are more available at a lower price, that also becomes a factor.

relax. Regardless of your opinion towards greylocks, telling someone new to get age verified is always good advice. Lets face it, being age verified can make some information easier to obtain.

back on topic, I gotta say, that the "You should see a doctor about that, cause really, the PTW is NOTHING amazing, it's not even good. It's a friggin money pit. Batteries are expensive and must be Systema. Mags are bloody expensive and must be systema. The receiver is'nt made from top quality materials, and looks ###### compared to a Guarder receiver. Accuracy is utter *beep*, and after spending $250 on a custom barrel, its now average." is the craziest thing I have seen all week except for that video of the asian chick with the octopus up her who-who

You should keep in mind, that the person you quoted, LoneWolf, on arnies, has been very back and forth on his PTW comments, and in reality, his statement is very much in the minority. On arnies, people either low the PTW or hate it, and IMHO, it burns down to basic regular AEG fanboy-ism. Some people are very protective of their guns, and dont like the fact that their sweet baby is not the hottest thing out there.

Those who know me, know that I would have to be really goddamn serious to say what Im about to say, but shit, Id cut off my own left testicle with a dull rusty spoon soaked in over-due mayo to have a PTW.

ok, heres another question, where abouts does a guy go to to buy one? ive been looking around a little and havent come across anything.

I believe asca can obtain one for you..I have the price lists and what not if you are interested PM me. Actually I believe that any of the retailers who can now obtain guns can also obtain a systema PTW for you.

Having used the latest gen PTW kits several times and having a MAX on the way I can say from expirence that they blow anything else out of the water. Just about every M4 I've built ran me over 2k and ran alright. For the same amount of cash you have a rock solid AEG, made to actual 1:1 specs with realistic function. I would be supprised if you could go out and buy even a systema complete mech that will reliably run at 500fps rain shine sleet or snow...

For those interested the MAX series come with the M150 cylinder, but there is also a MAXII series that comes with an M110. The MAX series also has a steel barrel (as opposed to aluminum in the standard), a heat treated buffer tube (as opposed to painted) and steel reinforced internals tuned to run at 500fps reliably.

Compairing a PTW to a TM/CA/G&P is like compairing a TM/CA/G&P to Canadian Tire Soft Air crap.

The battery selection for the latest gen PTW's actually goes by the cylinder your using. The guys I know with them just run 9.6v batts and no, you can build your own if you want. The M4 style batts are actually designed to fit the real steel Crane stocks (as used on the PTW's) so if you install a real stock on your TM you should be able to use systemas batts.

Oz who, where and for how much did you have to spend to get your max?

thanks and Airsoft in Israel
 

first of all thanks for all the replays if i had doubt about the big expenses I have it no more.

and about Israel, here we had had our time in the service with the real things and thats no fun (by real i mean guns) therefor airsoft is growing here as a pure sport. my self and a few friends established an association of the airsoft sport and working to push it forward in israel we convene in www.airsoft.org.il and the forum have english support as well.
as the for my age im 30 y/o so im sure its fine
again i thank you all
Vek

hey Vekna your link is missing the "f" in airsoft

Oz has got it, thats just the point...
:)

if i can help you by answering any questions feel free to ask ;)

so another question, i see systema refers to their ammo as bullets. do they shoot regular bbs or a cased round like the rap4 paintball guns?

Regular BBs.

vekcna, dont worry about your age. It is NOT a requirement if you are outside Canada. You wont buy anything from here anyway, it would make no monetary sense for you.

Here we have different sets of laws, and you need to be over 18 (legal age of majority, right to vote, etc) to be able to legally buy, and own, an airsoft gun. That is because they are considered replicas and our laws are very strict about it.

www.systema-ptw.com

Load up the page and click on the "Forums" link. All the Systema PTW info you could ever shake a stick at.

there thanks kdogg, you got pm... on the systema forums

its here its here
 

after 2 month of research in what and how to get, the PTW M4Max hit my doorstep two days ago, after the field test i feel obligated to thank you all for helping decide.
yours Vek

Im so tempted to get the max right now... A&A has one for sale...

Someday I will have one of those in my gun bags...

Bah. The newest line of PTW's will be able to run the new M170 cylinder set that is coming down the pipe, and Systema is going to offer a retrofit kit for older models so they can run the M170.....Systema also now offers 2 types of PTW motor - high ROF or high Torque.

Soon we can hunt with PTWs...

Either that or they get put on the prohibited list and the military replaces their M16 with them.

The "SuperMAX" is still not available yet, Systema has not set a release date and they usually are in no hurry to bring a new gun to market. If you really need 600 fps at 15 rounds/sec., you have some isssues.

You can buy the 490 motor for your current PTW for about $250 U.S. if you want the energy-saving benefits. But the 480 motor on M130 or less will still give you alot of rounds on a 1600mah 9.6v battery.

The CF might replace their old guns, as soon as Systema makes and M1000 cylinder and 5.0g bbs