KSC MK23 (HK) Or KSC G19
 

I've read the reviews on both of the guns, the glock seems more reliable and well built but I don't really like the look.

I like the look of the mk23 but I've read it isn't that reliable and needs to be upgraded to be used for anything other than displaying.

I would be using the pistol quite a bit and use propane for the gas, I really want the mk23 but I don't want to get it if it will crap out on me down the road. Upgrading could be done down the road to it when i get more money.

EDIT: I can also use the duster gas if possible
Any input from you ladies and gents it's much appreciated.

Thanks.

if you don't care for blowback. the tm mk23 is an extremely reliable and accurate shooter.

I would like the blowback. Thanks though.

USP .45 Fullsize. 'nuff said.

(15,000 rounds through it, still fires like new)..

What company?

KSC :p Forgot to mention..

Stay away from the compact USPs. Triggers break alot easier with those..

i think the only companies that make the usp are ksc/kwa and hfc..i could be wrong. You won't go wrong with either ksc/kwa though

So i was looking at A&A and it says -2 in stock for the KSC usp fullsize, does that mean they are back ordered or what. I'm thinkin arbies ... .. I mean mk23.

kjw makes one with a metal slide too
no trades though

tm, ksc, kwa, tanio koba, tanaka works, kj works

You cannot really say either is reliable, KSC released numerous versions of the MK23, fixing issues and making the gun into a really authentic replica of the real thing.
Glock, the only good thing about it, is that parts are widely available, because everyone seems to have one.

One of my buddies that I play with has a KSC MK23, used and abused for 3 years, its painted tan.. which is rlly cool, not a single problem. He has an upgraded tightbore barrel which shoots more accurate than any stock sniper rifle.

Besides that sizes of the 19 and the MK23, well the difference is massive, one is a secret service pistol, not even cops use it. They use 17s.

The other is an offensive military handgun designed for SEAL use.

I mean, even God carries a SOCOM.

Fact.

(But only when he leaves his 1911 at home ;) )

part 66 is the notorious weak point on all socom versions
it will have to be replaced; good news is, guarder makes a spring set which includes recoil, hammer, as well as a reinforced #66

socom in HW is FAR superior to socom in ABS in terms of feel and weight
the moment you pick up HW, you wont even want to look at the ABS ver

more authentic replica is the first version, not the 2005 ver
it replicates the two-stage recoil spring assembly
2005 version uses a regular single spring like most gbbs and Ive heard reports of the recoil blowing the front part of the assembly out

g19 only holds 20 shots too, vs socom's 28, so its not bad as a sidearm, but you've gotta shoot damn straight if you want to primary it
socom sucks as a sidearm cause you will have this bigass piece of gun bouncing around on your thigh

SD makes beautiful (and expensive) CNC'd metal slide/barrel for mk23
I still miss mine
in terms of shooting experience, MK23...hands down
practical sidearm, G19

lol! New sig line.

Well, I took the its virginity first I'm still the first one who order that CNC metal slide :D

Oh and FPS_boy if you want to know what Upgraded FMU KSC Mk.23 kick like on propane I got it on my computer that I recorded when I had one before it was sold to Daniel and then to Shinjin and I'm not even sure who is the recent owner! I want it back! LOL

And since you're live in Prince George you can go ask Dave Horton from NIA how mighty it felt when he got to fire it :P

I have played with many pistols and a G19 with Upgraded Slide, Updgraded Recoil Spring, and Upgraded hammer spring its a reliable sidearm and very
accurate with a 6.03 and .30's! Now with the addition of a nice $50 serpa holster its dead sexy.

Daniel got sloppy seconds and I got sloppier thirds
and it was still a great gun
:p

Ive got another HW MK23 socom with a zeke metal slide and barrel set at the moment...just missing a few pieces here and there
SD is far superior to the zeke kit

first round ever played with the socom was on the ferry; I took out 3 people with 3 pairs of doubletapped shots
ahhh....good times

Is that so? i've always thought of zeke was a very top notch company

(Im aware of the cost / quality of SD as well)

Most police agencies that use GLocks use the Glock 23, which is a 19 sized gun but in .40S&W (close to .45ACP power in a 9mm length package).

Regarding the two, it's really a matter of preference. The Glock 19 by KSC is the most reliable Glock made by them, has more metal parts and a much better made frame. Upgrade/replacement parts are much easier to find, and the Glock works well and keeps working well in sandy environments. And it's much easier to find gear that will holster the gun and mags. And even stock and on propane, if you add an enhanved recoil spring, this gun has a very fast and crisp cyclic rate.

The KSC Mk23 is a sluggish beast (as far as shooting it goes, long and slow slide travel), still a pretty cool gun, especially that you can fire it in NBB mode (load a BB from the mag, drop the hammer, fire it in double action......... BB rips outta there but the slide doesn't move, making it a very quiet gun). I'd love to have one simply because of this fact.

Cool, thanks for all of the replies guys.

Good to know my ex was able to help you out :P

Here is my picture of my ex lol
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/gallery...to=2458&cat=41

Fps_boy if you're going to deck it out like I did prepare to blow a lot of dough. I spent nearly 700 cdn the gun with metal slide/barrel and spring upgrades, this is without the silencer and the mags and the holster. You're looking at 1.2k

But you know what Shinjin, the only reason I sold it was because I wanted to fund my real USP tactical and which inturn I have one right now... Maybe you want to get a PAL for real Mk.23 LOL

Aren't RS MK.23s like $3,000?

No, that overboard its actually 2.2k Cdn

hey i never knew that! thats pretty cool.
haha stalker is loyal to his Glock 19 :D
i'd recommend the Glock 19 or any Glock made by the companies, KSC, KJW, TM. I've owned many Glocks by KSC in the past, if you want reliability in stock form, stay away from the full auto Glocks KSC makes.

maintaining Glocks are really easy, as well as repairing/modifying. performance wise, they're decent.

Really? I remember seeing them in a magazine for roughly $3100.

Either way, why would you want a RS MK.23? 1911s are much cheaper and easier to maintain/upgrade.

generally, zeke products are better than SD, but the zeke mk23 kit is one of their earlier products and is cast and painted, compared to SD's CNC'd annodized finish
over the years, zeke has gotten a LOT better

I believe mk23's go for mid 2g's; 3.1k is more like a USP expert, if memory serves me

shelling out that much is kind of hard for me to justify seeing as I live bloody far away from a pistol range

well...mk23's arent really in need of any upgrades in the first place

I don't have Mk.23 but I know a brand new one is 2.2k cdn without tax I have real steel USP tactical Same function as Mk.23 without the cool factor of being a unique piece :P