Opinion on ghillie setup
 

Hey guys just wanted some opinions of those out there that own ghillie suits, with all this cold weather I figure mise well keep busy and make one. My question is, what kind of setups are people running under their ghillie? My current setup is a M14, highcappa 5.1, using a CIRAS as well. I'm thinking the CIRAS won't work too well with the ghillie and wanted to see what other options were out there.
Thanks,

If you're going to be crawling ditch the CIRAS, it'll add too much bulk. Go as low-profile as possible with your webbing. CIRAS was never meant to be used in a sniper role.

Ya thats what I was thinking too. Too damn bulky, what do you roll with?

flecktarn.co.uk sells a really expensive sniper smock that you could build a ghille on.
Buy that!

Simple old Patter 82 webbing would work..

Snipers around here wear a simple belt with a small mag pouch on it..

Couple others use this line, and I do to and find it works great under ghillie.

Eagle Universal Chest Rig
https://www.sealsactiongear.com/cata...?idProduct=428
HGSI Sniper Waist Pack
http://www.oneshottactical.com/merch...tegory_Code=PA
Good Drop leg holster
Camel-pack ((always have water, ghillies get hot)),
And a good drag bag for your rifle.


One thing I'll note about the Eagle rig, is that the pistol mag pouches were made with glocks in mind. If you use your hi-cappa with it ((I use one too)) you'll need to make extensions for the flaps, this is easy if you have a sewing machine. Just sew Velcro to another piece of webbing. I did it where I have velcro on both ends so that I can remove it and use the smaller mags as well and it holds great!

I really dislike drop legs for crawling.. I find it's better to have something that's on your waist... If I could I'd put something on the kidney area.. But I can't find a good holster that fits nicely in that area..

Pending on your gun, look into the Blackhawk Serpas, they have great waist mount holsters! I had one for my TM 1911 before I sold it, it worked great for that.

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However I still prefer the drop leg, because over all you won't always be on the ground, sometimes you'll be stalking and moving around trying to make good time across a lot of terrain, when you don't have the time to crawl there and that happens a lot; its still airsoft and the day only lasts so long :P. Also I find it MUCH easier to get too when your prone, and when people are getting too close to shoot them with the sniper rifle its very much handy to be able to get to your pistol to dispense with them...

HSGI suspenders a nice belt and a HSGI sniper waist pack. Get a size bigger BDU top then you need , sew a slot onto the inside for a camel back and sew or glue netting on the outside to attach burlap/jute or synthetic fibers. If you go the non bdu route just make sure its big enough to cover your gear. If you need to carry a pisol attach it to the belt on the hip or use a thigh holster with a flap. The things you NEED to carry are ammo , water , map , compass and the most important a radio!

And a gun! :D

+1

:rolleyes:

Any cheap BDU jacket, oversized of course, will do the job for a ghillie setup. Glue/stitch your netting onto that and from there you can add your jute and vegetation.

As for what to roll with weapon-wise, thats really up to personal preference. If you're going to carry a side arm, have it on a drop leg holster. Army Surplus here on the boards has a really nice one that I've been eyeing myself:

http://www.armyissue.com/Gallery/alb...20holsters.jpg
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=12641

As for your primary weapon and carrying the ammunition it needs, that really depends on the role you'll be filling in the field. If you're more of a scout, then you can go light on the ammo and may not even need a vest or chest rig. What I'd personally do in a sniper role is get a good pistol belt (you need one anyway for your drop leg) and load up some mag pouches onto the side and back, so you can low-crawl and not have any serious snagging.

My $0.02.

Ya I forgot to mention in my original post, but I would ideally like to have just some basic concealment for my backside (shoulders, head, waist, legs) and a gun wrap as well for when I am prone. Does anyone here use a ghillie that is not attached to any BDU. Ideally I would like to carry it in a utility pouch and just throw it on in certain situations where some sort of concealment would help (ex. defending ). The role I play in the squad will require me to make those long shots but at the same time keeping an aggresive pace with my squad. There is already a designated recon role --- so playing as a full out sniper is not something I plan on nor do i have the patience for, so there is no need for a full blown ghillie suit, just some type of wraps that I could carry on the field and use when necessary.

Just last week I started a new ghillie, no BDUs, just an 'open front parka style'. Woodland helmet cover for a hood, heavy fish net for the rest of it. Plan is something lighter that is easier to lug around, roll up inside out and sling it kinda thing. And unlike the full blown ghillie I made a few years ago, this one will be more brown than anything else.

So would you wear a helmet with that or just put the helmet cover on?? Not sure what tried and true way is for making concealment for your head.

If you aren't as crafty as some of us here, you may want to check out this alternative:

http://www.ghilliesuits.com/

They sell some really high quality stuff, as well as kits for the do-it-yourselfer (good foundation to add on to later).

Another thing I have seen that works surprisingly well is this:

http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/st...16000_400-16-1

Those who make their own ghillies (myself included) usually scoff at pre-fabricated stuff like that, but hey... if it works...

Brodie contact Bodox or Twigs and get one of them to bring their "ghillie cape" to our meeting tonight, that is what you are looking for

Helmets are targets, and a target is the last thing a sniper wants to be. :D

No, helmet cover is just a pre-made hood shaped thing. Secure the front three flaps inside it and Shoo-Goo the netting too it (BTW, the netting is found at Michael Craft store, called "Decorative Fishing Net" and is 5' x 7', cost is $14. It's a used saltwater fishing net, super strong and natural earth colour.)

Does it smell like fish? :P

Thank you!

I've been waiting for information where to get the fishing net stuff to pop up!

No. Might have a slight salt water smell to it though, am not sure. Have bought a half dozen of these nets over the past few years, don't recall if there's any smell.

Well shit man, you shoulda asked! :D

Stalker,

Think it would be possible to get pictures of your progress on the new ghillie....net/wrap? I've wanted to build something like this too as I don't want to make a full blown ghillie with a BDU base but something like what Buck wants which can be put on and taken off quickly just to augment your stalking abilities.

Cheers!

Ya, can see about taking a couple pics of it tonight. Have to still sort out the sleeve issue of it (kinda like poncho sleeves, just have to cut in the right places) and add thumb loops. And there isn't much green on it yet (have the dye, but need more burlap). And then I'll rearrange the burlap where I need to. Am thinking more brown on the edges and sides, and clumps of green. And already have raffia grass tied in as well.

And remember, when this ghillie is finished, it's only half done. Gotta wait until spring to beat the shit outta it, soak it in mud, drag it around, etc. Then I can consider using it. ;)

Have you seen my full ghillie yet?

Never seen in person but I've seen pictures and it looks like something a grizzly bear may have used to wipe it's backside with.

Right now I have an old net of some sort...not volleyball I don't think as the holes are too small but it's nylon/vinyl so it's rot resistant. Will be trying to cut it up into a sort of loose or baggy tunic/smock and then figure out a way to either have it secure itself to your person, overtop of a bdu. Or have it attach to a BDU somehow but still be easy to remove.

Actually rot isn't something I ever considered when making my ghillies, nor is it something I've even experienced. My ghillie has been through hell, dragged in the mud (at one point it fell off the top of a moving Argo, and the boonie hat landed in deep mud and got run over later on.........), trucked thoguh and gone prone in swamps that smell like methane, only been hosed down once and left in the sun to dry, etc. It hasn't rotted at all (not even the BDUs), but has ripped to shit in some places (my pants I cut the inner seam up to abotu halfway up the calf so I can put the pants on with boots on) and after all the use (and snags) this year, they look like cowboy's chaps more than pants. Lol

What you can do with yours is something like mine (I actually didn't think of this way before, I more or less wore mine and tied it in places) but lay your smock on the floor face down, lay the net over top of it and set it up so the top part goes well over the shoulders, enough that you cut out the neck area, and the arm areas can cover the front of your arms and yo ujust tie it along the seam. That way you can wear it alone like a coat, or have the general outline done up to make it easier to secure to a BDU jacket if that's thew way you want to go. Just make sure you oversize any BDUs you get. The pants I used are a 40" waist, and I wear a 34" normally. And suspenders with a stiff belt (I use a scuba diving bare weightbelt) are a MUST!!!

Regarding the grizzly comment, I'm proud to say it smells that way too. :D

http://www.quebecairsoft.com/gallery...serialNumber=3
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It must have scared the crap out that dude playing Airsoft in the woods, having stumbled across Bigfoot and all...

I don't know if you really need a ghillie suit for the role you're taking on. If you're taking long shots from the back of your unit, the enemy already knows your unit is there(most likely). A ghillie is used for concealment usually when you are detached from your unit and at an FOP which is ahead of them or behind enemy lines. I think that in your case, it would be more of a hindrance than anything.

Bingo. Ghillies are to be used when you are alone, or if your 'asskisser' (my term for an airsoft "spotter") has one too. Often friends have volunteered to be my spotter when I head out alone, and it doesn't make a lot of sense for me to be conceiled and sneaking around when the guy behind me is wearing multicam. Lol

what isn't multiscam uber 1337

It's like a dotted line. Sometimes you see it, sometimes you don't. ;)

Only in Ghost Recon...

If all you're looking for is something that you can roll up and stash but use when you want to conceal and hide a bit better, why not get something like this?
http://www.ghilliesuits.com/index.as...PROD&ProdID=16

Its more a pack cover/poncho kind. But over all if you're not intending to really branch off from the unit either to the side or up a head, this isn't really something you need/want to deal with.

Ok, got a couple pics of what I've started (colours are off, but hey, "ah dunnae gi a shiite".......... and I had to upload to my facebook account since the Warmongers site is under re-construction):

http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/phot...06176_3113.jpg
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And since I'm prepping for a winter game next month, the joys of masking tape!
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Hey Mike,
Where did you find that netting?

I love copy & paste! Been buying it for a few years now, they always seem to get more in:

Stalker,

How are you fastening on that quick ghillie?

I'm thinking of 1" webbing straps across the chest with ladder locks on it. Quick and simple, and low profile.

I made a ghillie cape last summer and find it's not to bad to crawl around in. It is just a rectangle net with some burlap straps so you can put the cape on like a backpack. There is also lots of net above the shoulder portion so it can be pulled over as a hood. I used jute twine for the majority of it, but end up cramming the ghillie full of grass, leaves and twigs to make it effective.

I think the easiest thing to wear under it is a belt with a few pouches. CIRASs are too big. But if you really wanted to, you could put this over your CIRAS.

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Canadian Stalker has the right idea here.
I originally built my first ghillie on a set of tiger stripe BDU's 13 years ago using smelt netting and dyed burlap. The burlap added the most weight (duh) and the smelt netting made for easy assembly after it was sewn directly onto the BDU. For your application you could make a poncho, or like a hooded short cape, out of a stronger type of netting with tie downs in key locations in order to allow a relatively "quick attachment" to the rest of your kit.
However,as a note, over the years I often found that the netting snagged on various other parts of my kit (the rear sling mount on my AR for example). A quick fix for this was to sew a patch of light material onto the inside of the netting in the problem areas before attaching the burlap. This prevents the ghillie netting from snagging onto the MP5K I sometimes sling across the small of my back....and allows me to reach it with out grabbing a hand full of burlap as well. So do this over the area where you intend to affix your pistol holster to your kit, However, again..this does not prevent the netting from snagging on anything outside of your kit, such as branches and the like. But nothing is perfect.

A home made ghillie can be be both cost and field effective, as long as it is well thought out.

And I would suggest using a lot of earth tones in your ghillie, as you can always add greens to your ghillie in the shape of garnish.....there's not a lot of brown garnish available to add to a green ghillie.

Good luck with your project;
SHA DO