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xsnipes April 6th, 2008 00:08

Echo 1 m16a4
 
I got this gun for 230 off my buddy, I don't like the m16 because of its length but I'm not going to refuse 230. It is my first aeg so I don't know how it compares to others .

-Velocity is supposed to be around 360 f/s but does not Peirce the bottom of a soda can
-The battery is a 8.4 volt 1500 mAh large type Ni-Cad battery
-It comes very close to 3 feet long (which could be a bonus for some people)
-close to 7 pounds
-good ole' 350 round mis-feeding hi cap
-metal bushings and spring guide
-full metal ris
-bulky plastic stock with metal but plate
-version two mechbox
-brass 6.08 inner barrel
-bright orange tip (if from the states)

the sights on this gun are similar to the other colt rifles (Garand, m14, M4) three point front sight, and a adjustable peep on the rear sight. There is a minor problem on the rear sight, it seems to be spring loaded and will move if forced even a little bit, this won't matter if you use the tracer technique.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...x/PICT0831.jpg
I didn't even get the whole gun it the picture its so long

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...x/PICT0832.jpg
Break down of the gun, CAMMANDO logo?

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...x/PICT0833.jpg
Hop up exposed by charging handle

accuracy on this gun was not to impress but is well off and is practical for hitting a man sized target upwards of a 150 feet.

The fore grip is solid, but like all Armalites it will become loose and have to be tightened by the three allan bolts under the fore-grip, which I am told strip easily. The wobble on my gun doesn't seem to be produced by the outer barrel vice or clamp (don't know whats its called), but the piece behind it that is most visible, which doesn't seem very firmly mounted to the gun. <-- I need help with that

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...x/PICT0839.jpg

Overall I like the feel and the look of this gun, it has a very convincing low pitched AEG sound. What bothers me is the one piecer, and the length a bit. The selector switch has a very positive click when changing fire modes The mag fits the the mag-well firmly and locks into place easily. The mag release is in a nice place I find. In my opinion, the m16 is a classic good-looking rifle.

xsnipes April 6th, 2008 00:10

oops those pictures a pretty big, don't know if that bothers anybody

Skladfin April 6th, 2008 00:14

full metal RIS?

what?

KNIVEZS April 6th, 2008 00:14

the review wasn't that bad, so good job

caboose36 April 6th, 2008 00:16

Nice Review!


Quote:

Originally Posted by Skladfin (Post 687234)
full metal RIS?

what?


I think he means the RIS rail under the carrying handle.

Skladfin April 6th, 2008 00:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by caboose36 (Post 687237)
Nice Review!





I think he means the RIS rail under the carrying handle.

I'm sorry, I never knew that was called a RIS, all this time I've been calling it a flat top rail.

is it really metal? if it has a plastic body, then shouldn't that be plastic as well?

Okay review, could have had more content in it.

Lakonian April 6th, 2008 00:28

This is an A3.

Nice write-up :)

caboose36 April 6th, 2008 00:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skladfin (Post 687238)
I'm sorry, I never knew that was called a RIS, all this time I've been calling it a flat top rail.

is it really metal? if it has a plastic body, then shouldn't that be plastic as well?

I guess some people call it differnt names, both work. :D On my TM M4 Plastic body it has the rail which is metal. There is a screw that keeps the rail on the receiver, which is screwed into a nut or the big hunk of metal which is the whole treaded piece for the barrel nut, on the front end of the gun. Now, The threaded piece slides inside of the upper receiver, and gets held there by two screws that are located in the area that are circled in red. Now, on the top part of that there should be a little female threaded area, thats what the screw screws into to hold the rail on the receiver.

If that doesnt make sence, I guess you would have to take off the rail too see what I mean. :p Heres a Link : http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/j...e36/234i88.jpg You can't see the screws in the pic but there in that area. Im not trying to sound like a smart @ss, but just trying to explane. :rolleyes:

Hope That clears things up!

Caboose

xsnipes April 6th, 2008 01:26

The rail from what I can tell is metal the body is plastic, I guess full metal ris rail was a bad way to put it.

xsnipes April 6th, 2008 01:29

jing gong doesn't come with metal bushing and spring guide right?

caboose36 April 6th, 2008 01:31

You got it right bud, I was explaneing how the RIS rail attached to the body for Skladfin.

Caboose

caboose36 April 6th, 2008 01:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by xsnipes (Post 687276)
jing gong doesn't come with metal bushing and spring guide right?


The bushing are nilon/plastic, But the spring guide is metal.

Caboose

Skladfin April 6th, 2008 01:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by caboose36 (Post 687252)
I guess some people call it differnt names, both work. :D On my TM M4 Plastic body it has the rail which is metal. There is a screw that keeps the rail on the receiver, which is screwed into a nut or the big hunk of metal which is the whole treaded piece for the barrel nut, on the front end of the gun. Now, The threaded piece slides inside of the upper receiver, and gets held there by two screws that are located in the area that are circled in red. Now, on the top part of that there should be a little female threaded area, thats what the screw screws into to hold the rail on the receiver.

If that doesnt make sence, I guess you would have to take off the rail too see what I mean. :p Heres a Link : http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/j...e36/234i88.jpg You can't see the screws in the pic but there in that area. Im not trying to sound like a smart @ss, but just trying to explane. :rolleyes:

Hope That clears things up!

Caboose

uhh..

ya..

okay...

I wouldn't know, cause you know, I've bought a TM M4 two years ago and disassembled the eff of it, upgraded the internals myself. Then put a metal body, RAS, Crane stock. Ya, I would have never guessed, , thanks for explaining all those wonderful painfully obvious facts to me.. I appreciate it.

By the way, it's spelled "explain", not "explane".

Don't worry, you were never a smartass in my mind.

caboose36 April 6th, 2008 01:39

Thanks for correcting me. I feel soo stupid now, but I guess being half asleep doesnt help my spelling and typing at all, now does it? Im not calling you stupid or anything either, just was trying to make myself useful for once. Well 3 days staying up past 12:00am isnt good for me, Im off now.

Caboose

Skladfin April 6th, 2008 01:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by caboose36 (Post 687283)
Thanks for correcting me. I feel soo stupid, but I guess being half asleep doesnt help my spelling and typing at all, now does it?

I just love it when people give random excuses...

especially the "oh I was awake for so long" excuse.

I really wouldn't know, I can't see you right now, go figure.

caboose36 April 6th, 2008 01:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skladfin (Post 687285)
I just love it when people give random excuses...

especially the "oh I was awake for so long" excuse.

I really wouldn't know, I can't see you right now, go figure.

Hey! Im not just naming off excuses, I really am tired! Thats why I am going to sleep now... Oh, and IF you could see me right now, that would be very creepy.

Good night guys!

Caboose

Inade April 11th, 2008 23:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skladfin (Post 687238)
I'm sorry, I never knew that was called a RIS, all this time I've been calling it a flat top rail.

is it really metal? if it has a plastic body, then shouldn't that be plastic as well?

Okay review, could have had more content in it.

Even my TM clone which has a plastic body came with a metal RIS ....

Inade April 11th, 2008 23:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skladfin (Post 687281)
uhh..

ya..

okay...

I wouldn't know, cause you know, I've bought a TM M4 two years ago and disassembled the eff of it, upgraded the internals myself. Then put a metal body, RAS, Crane stock. Ya, I would have never guessed, , thanks for explaining all those wonderful painfully obvious facts to me.. I appreciate it.

By the way, it's spelled "explain", not "explane".

Don't worry, you were never a smartass in my mind.

He probably never knew you own a TM... /troll?

Lakonian April 12th, 2008 02:01

What's with all the assholes on ASC lately?

Seriously. Chill the fuck out, or fuck off.

Skladfin April 12th, 2008 10:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inade (Post 692535)
He probably never knew you own a TM... /troll?


It's the fact that he assumed I was a misinformed dumbass.

Skladfin April 12th, 2008 10:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inade (Post 692533)
Even my TM clone which has a plastic body came with a metal RIS ....

I think you've misunderstood... I'm not talking about the RIS RIS, I'm talking about the rail on top of the plastic body, which for all the universe know, it's not called a RIS.

Inade April 13th, 2008 18:58

What RIS RIS? There's only one Rail Interface system. It covers the handguards, and the top of the receiver.

Need more?

The rail is typically placed directly on the weapon's receiver, in the position normally occupied by the rear sights. The rail's cross-section is shaped roughly like a wide T. Scopes are mounted on the rail either by sliding them on from one end or the other, or by means of a "rail-grabber" which is clamped to the rail by means of bolts, thumbscrews or levers. - Wikipedia.

NOW, in case you're too lazy to read that, here it is cut down:

The rail is typically placed directly on the weapon's receiver, in the position normally occupied by the rear sights.
Where are the rear sights? Why... on top of the receiver.

Proof

Sorry, I take great offense when people assume I'm a misinformed dumbass.

Skladfin April 13th, 2008 21:51

I'm sorry Inade, but I don't think I can believe you much when the website title is called "Picatiny Rail". by all means, that is NOT RIS.

There's a link on that page saying "Rail Integration System", and that's the RIS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_Integration_System

If you are too lazy to read that, then here you go.

"There are different styles of RIS, depending on how much the operator will be accessorizing the weapon. Basic systems that can be installed on weapons such as the previously mentioned AR-15/M16 are usually small rails with holes machined in them that are screwed onto the existing hand guard on the rifle and can cost as little as $25 to $40 USD. More advanced systems allow for numerous accessories to be mounted simultaneously and cost an average minimum of $200 USD and up for a decent quality system."

ITS the HANDGUARD part.

If you are just so blockheaded and would absolutely not accept the fact, then here's more proof.

http://www.mountsplus.com/miva/merch...RI/PRI-050-062

It's called a flat top rail.

Sorry Inade, but I take outrageous offence in people trying to look like a smartass but don't even take the effort to read the website title.

I don't know why you guys are trying to make me look like the bad guy here, I'm just trying to correct you. And then what I get in return is people trying to argue with me like there's no tomorrow.

It's fine by me if you wanna look like a dumbass calling it RIS, but I will tell you right now it's called Flat top Rail.

stevesawatsky June 9th, 2008 12:21

know-it-alls r00l d00d

three cheers for being lame.


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