First AEG & GBB

Trader rating · September 24th, 2005, 13:14

G&p

P11 Deuce · September 24th, 2005, 17:55

I heard G&P has some internal problems....aside from that im guessing a muzzle velocity reducer will do the trick for indoor games?

dead_aim · September 26th, 2005, 01:19

get the g&p out of the box you have to down grade to play..a muzzle velocity reducer i dunno about...use it you want IMO down grading sound better

im gettin a g&p m4a1 my self...a fellow memeber got me hooked on it (damn you SINN) he has no problems at all

for a m9 all metal kjw is your best bet...upgrade if you want...im gonna do it to mine...

firemachine69 · September 26th, 2005, 01:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by P11 Deuce

Is there any place i can buy a TM M4A1 and ask them to upgrade it to a full metal version before they ship it out?

You're looking at a minimum 800 dollars if it were new.

P11 Deuce · September 26th, 2005, 08:01

ya, im better off with either a G&P or a G&G. I just cant make up my mind on which has more Reliable internals.

CrazyChoda · September 26th, 2005, 08:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by P11 Deuce

ya, im better off with either a G&P or a G&G. I just cant make up my mind on which has more Reliable internals.

Probably the G&G but the problems that the G&P has are pretty minor issues, such as selector plate, wonky fps etc etc. the small problems that it has are easy fixable, but the gun itself is nicer over then the G&G

jusblaze10 · September 27th, 2005, 12:06

that beretta is friggin HAWT

thats the next gun im buying

Muphlon · September 29th, 2005, 22:00

P11 Deuce
as far as i understand you have taken those prices from wargamer's shop? if so, good luck getting them through customs.

and if i'm wrong please give me the link, becase i don't have the smallest clue as to wich canadian retailer sells GP airsofts.

P11 Deuce · September 29th, 2005, 22:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muphlon

P11 Deuce
as far as i understand you have taken those prices from wargamer's shop? if so, good luck getting them through customs.

and if i'm wrong please give me the link, becase i don't have the smallest clue as to wich canadian retailer sells GP airsofts.

I dont research with American-based airsoft websites. All my prices come from Canadian Retailers.....and i found all the G&P AEG'S i want at www.specarms.com

Bob the Angry Potato · September 29th, 2005, 23:16

If I were you, I'd stick with the HFC M190. The metal version is almost rock solid, shoots very hard (more then comparable to the Marui version), can use Marui clips AND every single part in the gun is exchangable with the Marui M92F GBB... (So replacement parts are not impossible to come by)

Besides that, it's excellent at sharpshooting, has decent recoil, and every button works just like the real-steel counterpart. Personally, I love the gun. Just search for reviews, every one is more then positive, people swear by it.

mcguyver · September 29th, 2005, 23:17

g&p has best stock internals of any gun i've opened. their problem is in the assembly. there was a batch of "peter kang special upgraded" g&p m4a1 and spr's that were shooting 450-480 fps. everyone that i've worked on (about a dozen now and counting) had no real parts problems (only 2 had broken tappets and 1 broken selector). the problems were poor motor alignment(wiring not routed properly in grip causing motor to be shifted slightly and bind up) and cylinder lubrication. all the gears were shimmed well and there was a good amount of grease for them. the cylinders were very dry and this would cause wild variations in output velocity and excessive wear and damage to the piston head o-ring. i had to replace a couple of these with systema silent heads and i de-tuned a couple (removed the 210% pdi spring and installed an m120 spring) the de-tuned ones still fire at 370 fps +/- 2 feet and are deadly accurate. i think the upgraded ones should be de-tuned to something like 350 fps or so and with the proper lubrication and the inherent quality of their internals (i can't stress that enough) they should last a very long time.

mcguyver · September 29th, 2005, 23:22

i bought the hfc m190 last year. good gun. rock solid and reliable. the only bitch i had about it was it's sensitivity to cold. if i used it at any temp less than about +15c the green gas would not exert enough pressure to cycle the gun properly. i never bothered to check into it and i just use my glock in chillier temps. works great when it's warm out.

LaZeDoUt^Jr. · September 30th, 2005, 00:00

Get the G&G's when they come out with their version 3 guns if the release date is not that long from now. They have put a new mechbox in it, and they say that it is just as reliable as the TM mechboxes now...

mcguyver · September 30th, 2005, 01:53

it's still unproven and they said their last version was the shit. not a big fan of g&g yet. ump's have that faulty tappet issue and it was just released last month. i say stick with what you know and what is tried and true.

P11 Deuce · September 30th, 2005, 07:57

I was thinking of getting the HFC m190 but i recall someone saying to go with a KJW insted, personally i like the look of the m190...because im trying to get my gear to resemble US Special Forces.

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September 24th, 2005, 17:55	#32
P11 Deuce Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Toronto	I heard G&P has some internal problems....aside from that im guessing a muzzle velocity reducer will do the trick for indoor games? __________________ "Camouflage is your #1 Weapon."

September 26th, 2005, 08:01	#35
P11 Deuce Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Toronto	ya, im better off with either a G&P or a G&G. I just cant make up my mind on which has more Reliable internals. __________________ "Camouflage is your #1 Weapon."

September 27th, 2005, 12:06	#37
jusblaze10 Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2005	that beretta is friggin HAWT thats the next gun im buying __________________ Airsoft Newb. Sale vouches are all on www.torontocivics.com..bought & sold $1000's worth of stuff with out ever any problems.

September 26th, 2005, 01:19	#33
dead_aim Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: scarborough	get the g&p out of the box you have to down grade to play..a muzzle velocity reducer i dunno about...use it you want IMO down grading sound better im gettin a g&p m4a1 my self...a fellow memeber got me hooked on it (damn you SINN) he has no problems at all for a m9 all metal kjw is your best bet...upgrade if you want...im gonna do it to mine...

September 29th, 2005, 22:00	#38
Muphlon Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2004	P11 Deuce as far as i understand you have taken those prices from wargamer's shop? if so, good luck getting them through customs. and if i'm wrong please give me the link, becase i don't have the smallest clue as to wich canadian retailer sells GP airsofts.

September 29th, 2005, 23:16	#40
Bob the Angry Potato *AV Status Suspended pending trade resolution* Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: A pile of empty boxes and broken dreams.	If I were you, I'd stick with the HFC M190. The metal version is almost rock solid, shoots very hard (more then comparable to the Marui version), can use Marui clips AND every single part in the gun is exchangable with the Marui M92F GBB... (So replacement parts are not impossible to come by) Besides that, it's excellent at sharpshooting, has decent recoil, and every button works just like the real-steel counterpart. Personally, I love the gun. Just search for reviews, every one is more then positive, people swear by it.

September 29th, 2005, 23:17	#41
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	g&p has best stock internals of any gun i've opened. their problem is in the assembly. there was a batch of "peter kang special upgraded" g&p m4a1 and spr's that were shooting 450-480 fps. everyone that i've worked on (about a dozen now and counting) had no real parts problems (only 2 had broken tappets and 1 broken selector). the problems were poor motor alignment(wiring not routed properly in grip causing motor to be shifted slightly and bind up) and cylinder lubrication. all the gears were shimmed well and there was a good amount of grease for them. the cylinders were very dry and this would cause wild variations in output velocity and excessive wear and damage to the piston head o-ring. i had to replace a couple of these with systema silent heads and i de-tuned a couple (removed the 210% pdi spring and installed an m120 spring) the de-tuned ones still fire at 370 fps +/- 2 feet and are deadly accurate. i think the upgraded ones should be de-tuned to something like 350 fps or so and with the proper lubrication and the inherent quality of their internals (i can't stress that enough) they should last a very long time.

September 29th, 2005, 23:22	#42
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	i bought the hfc m190 last year. good gun. rock solid and reliable. the only bitch i had about it was it's sensitivity to cold. if i used it at any temp less than about +15c the green gas would not exert enough pressure to cycle the gun properly. i never bothered to check into it and i just use my glock in chillier temps. works great when it's warm out.

September 30th, 2005, 00:00	#43
LaZeDoUt^Jr. Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Richmond Hill/Vaughan, Ontario	Get the G&G's when they come out with their version 3 guns if the release date is not that long from now. They have put a new mechbox in it, and they say that it is just as reliable as the TM mechboxes now...

September 30th, 2005, 01:53	#44
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	it's still unproven and they said their last version was the shit. not a big fan of g&g yet. ump's have that faulty tappet issue and it was just released last month. i say stick with what you know and what is tried and true.

September 30th, 2005, 07:57	#45
P11 Deuce Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Toronto	I was thinking of getting the HFC m190 but i recall someone saying to go with a KJW insted, personally i like the look of the m190...because im trying to get my gear to resemble US Special Forces. __________________ "Camouflage is your #1 Weapon."

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