My TM Hi-Capa 5.1

[safx]

Originally Posted by RacingManiac

I think what he meant is that ProG4(and whoever their supplier is) is making the kit available in both TM and WA system....I've seen the WA version of it from someone on Trader's Airsoft. And I have the TM version of the kit, and afaik the Airsoft Surgeon and ProG4 are supplied from the same machine shop, the difference being AS's kit is sold through Redwolf and have CL## on the frame for serial # of the kit....

What cho talkin' bout Willis!?

Now that I re-read his post I
think he's referring to the barrel...
He said compatible which usually
implies parts can be swapped
from one brand of gun to another.

Brian, put an end to our speculation lol

[Daiviet]

Gah. I want one now, but then i'd just be copying your style. Gotta keep my eye out for new goodies and different ideas. Curse you!

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by safx

On the lower rail, after the groove for
mounting optics, the milled lines seems
to have just nicked the rail 3 times.
Not too noticeable but would be nicer
without those blemishes.

That's not nicks, that's there on purpose to match up with the slide. Or do you mean something else?

???

[safx]

No dude, those milled lines on the front of
the slide and frame are "over milled" on the
real and the replica. Wouldn't you want the
lower edge of the rail free from those tiny
nicks where the tool just went a little too far?

It would be different if the lines extended in
an obvious way through the frame instead
of stopping with little gouges. They look like
a mistake, and probably are.

[RacingManiac]

http://www.prog4.com/db/product-show.asp?refno=AR1429

"For WA R-Type, WA SCW 2, WA SCW 3 and Marui"

I really think they would make the same style slide/frame/barrel, but under different system....they sell mostly WA stuff to start, then they start carrying the same style lower frame as Redwolf's AS stuff for TM, I think they make parts for both.....

[RacingManiac]

Originally Posted by safx

No dude, those milled lines on the front of
the slide and frame are "over milled" on the
real and the replica. Wouldn't you want the
lower edge of the rail free from those tiny
nicks where the tool just went a little too far?

It would be different if the lines extended in
an obvious way through the frame instead
of stopping with little gouges. They look like
a mistake, and probably are.

well if SVI made a mistake on their show gun then thats what the replicas are based on....

[safx]

Originally Posted by RacingManiac

http://www.prog4.com/db/product-show.asp?refno=AR1429

"For WA R-Type, WA SCW 2, WA SCW 3 and Marui"

I really think they would make the same style slide/frame/barrel, but under different system....they sell mostly WA stuff to start, then they start carrying the same style lower frame as Redwolf's AS stuff for TM, I think they make parts for both.....

Yep— That implies they will make the look
for those systems, yes. Not that one design
will work for all. I think we're on the same
page now. It's like SD releasing a "Kimber"
style slide for WA and TM, 2 slides not
one for all.

[safx]

Originally Posted by RacingManiac

well if SVI made a mistake on their show gun then thats what the replicas are based on....

Well, I'm just calling it like I see it. Am I the
only one who sees those tiny nicks in the rail
as not intentional enough to stand out like
part of the design?

I'm a designer myself, I work with all kinds
of print, web and products. So when I see
things like that, it looks to me like the milling
tool wasn't able to clear the top half of the rail
without nicking the bottom. An obvious choice
would have had the groove go straight through
the rail, to look more intentional.

If I were to buy that setup, I'd have to file
down the nicks on the rail and repaint it so
its smooth.

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by safx

No dude, those milled lines on the front of
the slide and frame are "over milled" on the
real and the replica. Wouldn't you want the
lower edge of the rail free from those tiny
nicks where the tool just went a little too far?

It would be different if the lines extended in
an obvious way through the frame instead
of stopping with little gouges. They look like
a mistake, and probably are.

I don't see how replicating the real steel can be wrong or bad.

Also, the slide wouldn't be cut while it's on the frame, that's silly. It was therefore obviously done on purpose.

[safx]

Originally Posted by Styrak

I don't see how replicating the real steel can be wrong or bad.

Also, the slide wouldn't be cut while it's on the frame, that's silly. It was therefore obviously done on purpose.

Your obviously not able to think for yourself,
so believe what you will. I didn't say the frame
and slide were cut in one pass, that's not the
point.

Of course the real steel was cut that way on
purpose. My point is it's aesthetically bad if
it's just a nick and not obvious enough to
look intentional. The real steel is flawed.

KSC replicated the USP, and they have the
same trigger flaw as the real steel. Which
is wrong and bad. They should have taken
the opportunity to make an improvement.

[m102404]

That's awesome! Very nice.

I'd agree with SafX on the tiny nicks on the rail. Also, I'm not sure if it's the same on real steel...but it often seems like the slide is too far forward (i.e. 0.5mm) and non-horizontal cuts that pass through both the slide and the frame end up not matching up when you let the slide go forward under it's own power...which is a real shame.

Incredible amount of work that went into it and well done though. Takes guts to do that and takes even more guts to post it up for kudos and criticisms.

Tys

[RacingManiac]

yeah the grooves don't line up perfect. I noticed that the first time I put it together and I have no idea what can I do to address that. The slide just travel to the furtherest forward point it can and then stop there, which I guess is dictated by where the lugs on the barrel meets the slide, OR where the loading nozzle meets the hop-up. I think the slide more or less sits at the same spot regardless what setup I have, I mean I always have a bit of rail sticks out the back of the slide on the hammer side, and that doesn't seem to change before when I have my SD slide or now with the AS set....

I might have been able to mill my hybrid slot a little bit short so that the slide bottoms out on the exhaust port, but that'd mean the piece will stick out a tiny bit up front. And when I had the slide on the mill I definitely was not thinking about that.....

personally I don't mind how the grooves are executed on the kit, I see having them going slightly over the rail as keeping some sort of continuity going, since the 3 grooves are the defining feature of this slide/frame combo, use them as a character lines that overrides any other feature just emphasize on the stylistic choice of putting those grooves there in the first place....

[m102404]

It looks freaking bad-ass. I'd never use it though...I would just scratch and bang the crap out of it.

I really like the detailed vertical cuts on the rear sides of the slide...just beautiful.

And the recessed groove along the top edge of the slide where it hits the rear sight. Just a hair more so it was flush with the sides of the bomar sight would have been sweet (but the sight probably wouldn't hold then...it wouldn't be held on by much).

I couldn't see it in the pics...but did you do anything to the rear of the slide and sight? i.e. horizontal lines?

My slides do the same thing...if you let it forward gently you can get it to stay...but mine is usually a little forward, with, as you said, a little frame rail sticking out. Maybe Illusion or MadMax knows a fix. Doesn't bother me...but then again, I beat the sh*t out of my working stuff.

[safx]

As long as you like it, that's all that matters.
And your work is amazing.

I may get a kit as well from those guys.
I could remove those nicks, or dremmel
them larger to continue the lines better.

I had an issue before with a slide not sitting
perfect, I believe it was where the slide stop
hole is cut that dictates your match-up with
the inner barrel/recoil assembly.

[RacingManiac]

http://sviguns.com/ph/?indx=130

btw, it seems that a lot of the SVI with rails shares the same kind of feature....