THe Final discussion...P90 TM v E90

[DarkAngel]

TM P90 4 years and running now

Upgrades are as follows
Guarder Cylinder head
Guarder Cylinder
Modify Nozzle
Guarder Spring Guide
Modify 300fps spring.
Systema Metal Bushings
G&P Metal Receiver.
Systema Turbo Motor
Sanyo 9.6v Jbatt

Using only TM Lowcaps.

My P90 is my CQB High ROF Gun. Keeping it at 300 FPS not only prevents bursts from hurting too much, but also keeps the ROF high.

I havent handled the CA Proline, but the sportline is absolute shite.

The difference between Proline and Sportline is not just the metal body, its the complete overall materials used in the gun. Upgrading the internals will not make up for the rest of the shoddy components you CANT replace.

Overall, CA is pretty good and easily comparable with the TM, and the metal receiver saves you from having to buy an aftermarket one.

Most people think that just replacing the gearbox will fix all their problems, "Oh im gonna upgrade i anyways so w/e" attitude stinks, primarily because if your using clone guns, your dealing with clone parts and tolerances. And it doesnt matter how great your gearbox is if your losing airseal due to your hopup and gearbox not aligning properly.

Take it from someone whos worked on countless guns... clones are nothing but trouble. Whatever money you save on clones, youll be spending on gun doc fees and youll still have the rest of the parts with shoddy tolerances and materials.

Do it right, the first time. Itll save you money and grief on the long run.

[PrIeSt]

no american retailers seem to even have the tm p90 instock. let alone the proline. airsoftgi. airsplat.

I don't know a lot of them. but it seems pretty low in stock

[Adamlxlx]

I have a CA p90 and its sweet. I had a TM p90 back in 02ish and I loved it as well its just the CA has better feeling plastic and is way heavier. Not to mention quite a bit more powerful, mine was shooting around 340 with .25. Around 1.5 joules I think. I like the TM mags better, the TM has better trades and the selector switch has a better feel.
Never dealt with a e90 so I can't comment on that. I would choose the CA over TM and KS.

[THe_Silencer]

Originally Posted by Exo22

If i ought the complete P90 systema tune up kit which of the p90's should i buy?

Buy the Echo1. I had my piston (stripped after <300 rounds), gears, cylinder/cylinder head, tappet plate, and spring guide all replaced. I also have an AK length tightbore installed. If your're planning on replacing most of the internals and you're a noob, there really isn't an easier place to start than the ver. 6 gear box. $150+ of upgrades can make the E90 nearly unmatched in the field!

[Azathoth]

Originally Posted by THe_Silencer

Buy the Echo1. I had my piston (stripped after <300 rounds), gears, cylinder/cylinder head, tappet plate, and spring guide all replaced. I also have an AK length tightbore installed. If your're planning on replacing most of the internals and you're a noob, there really isn't an easier place to start than the ver. 6 gear box. $150+ of upgrades can make the E90 nearly unmatched in the field!

That would be a good idea but in some cases the E90 gearbox comes from the factory warped. Which means going out and buying a stock TM box on top of your E90. Not worth all that effort.

[THe_Silencer]

Originally Posted by Azathoth

That would be a good idea but in some cases the E90 gearbox comes from the factory warped. Which means going out and buying a stock TM box on top of your E90. Not worth all that effort.

Again if you're really cheap, u CAN buy another E1 gearbox and upgrade that. Odd of getting 2 gearboxes that are lemons are slim (I think?)

[Crunchmeister]

Originally Posted by DarkAngel

TM P90 4 years and running now

Upgrades are as follows
Guarder Cylinder head
Guarder Cylinder
Modify Nozzle
Guarder Spring Guide
Modify 300fps spring.
Systema Metal Bushings
G&P Metal Receiver.
Systema Turbo Motor
Sanyo 9.6v Jbatt

Not to put down this gun in any way, but at this point, there's not much TM left in this gun. To tout TM as the item of choice with "4 years and running now" when there's little of the original gun left really negates the argument. We see this argument over and over about people saying how TM are the best, yet when they list their upgrades, there's usually little left TM in the gun in the first place. Not a shot against the TM P90 by any means, but I just think that it makes the argument rather moot.

[kalnaren]

^ Agree with the above.

Also, I have the E90. It's a fun gun. Works fine. I got mine for $350, and truth be told I wouldn't pay anymore than that for a JG.

The TM one works fine too. It's a nice piece. Personally, I think the CA one with the translucent upper looks like shit. I guess you could paint it.. but I'm a lazy bastard.

[DarkAngel]

It was bone stock for 3 of those 4 years crunch. I replaced the stock bushings right away with metal ones when i got it and thats it.

the last year is when i upgraded it.

[Azathoth]

Originally Posted by THe_Silencer

Again if you're really cheap, u CAN buy another E1 gearbox and upgrade that. Odd of getting 2 gearboxes that are lemons are slim (I think?)

eh..... Let's say that my HK supplier of OEM TM parts stopped carrying Echo parts because they where 'poor' quality.

I just worked on my 3rd E90 and same warped gearbox AND a hopup dial that doesnt do anything because the adjustment wheel wasnt cut properly.

[Adamlxlx]

Originally Posted by kalnaren

^ Agree with the above.

Also, I have the E90. It's a fun gun. Works fine. I got mine for $350, and truth be told I wouldn't pay anymore than that for a JG.

The TM one works fine too. It's a nice piece. Personally, I think the CA one with the translucent upper looks like shit. I guess you could paint it.. but I'm a lazy bastard.

Agreed! Glad mine is steel.

[Crunchmeister]

Originally Posted by Buzzrexx

I've been doing my shopping:

Echo1 P90's -$400

That's rather expensive. They've sold new in the forums for as low as $300. The highest I've seen was $350. I'd love to see your $400 source. I know I wouldn't pay that much for the E90. I got mine new for $300 shipped.

Originally Posted by DarkAngel

It was bone stock for 3 of those 4 years crunch. I replaced the stock bushings right away with metal ones when i got it and thats it.

the last year is when i upgraded it.

Fair enough. Then it's valid. I just hear that way too often in "TM vs Other Brand" arguments. People go on about how great their TM gun is, then they list they upgrades to a metal body, aftermarket front end, and myriads of internals upgrades shortly after getting it. Hell, my C8 started out as a TM, and there's nothing left TM in it now other than the piston body and motor. I would never claim it to be a TM. Yet, others would. To me, that negates the pro-TM argument altogether, because at that point it's a custom gun.

And I will vouch for TM P90's quality. I've got a local friend who has one, as well as his girlfriend. They've been bone stock for 3 years and problem free. They game them regularly, and they're great guns. They look great and perform admirably for guns with such short barrels. Other than the plastic receiver that feels lightweight, there is nothing wrong with this gun whatsoever. If velocity is an issue for someone playing outdoors, that can be fixed easily enough. My only beef is the extra shiny ABS lower. It makes it look cheap. And the body creak can be annoying. Otherwise though, TM are awesome.

That being said, I was the first known person on ASC to get an E90 when it came out about a year and a half ago. It's seen at least as many rounds as those 2 aforementioned TMs combined and has been tested side by side. I can easily outrange them, and at effective range, it's just as accurate. It's bone stock as well. The only issue I had with mine if the cutoff lever wore out rather quickly (an easy to replace $10 part), so it's in permanent full auto now regardless of the selector position. I always have my guns on auto anyway, so that's of no concern to me at all.

For value for the money, I would rank the E90 as the better buy. It's inexpensive, but not cheap (by "cheap" gun standards). If you want the best of the best (that's not THAT much better in this case except cosmetically), then the TM is the way to go. If you want a gun that just works well and shoots hard without having to mess with it, then E90 is the way to go. The only wildcard here is that being a Chinese product, there's a higher chance of having problems with it. On the other hand, TM have lemons too. They're less common, but they're out there. 2 out of my 3 TM guns were such lemons, whereas I've run both my JG guns and my E90 HARD without real issues.

[sAfuRos]

The absolute ignoring of the CA P90 is sad to me

CA P90 is the best value.

Edit: Proline...