M15A4 rifle vs. M14

Tom_Keeler · November 18th, 2005, 11:34

I was wondering about that too...

firemachine69 · November 18th, 2005, 13:47

I keep reading "tacky plastic" feeling, which is NOT what I want to feel. Not to mention, I want everything that normally is metal, in (duh), metal.

Blastyman · November 18th, 2005, 15:05

The gun is full metal other then the stock ofcourse.
Feels nice and solid.

I be shooting real steel M14's tommorrow. Let ya know how it compares to my baby.

firemachine69 · November 18th, 2005, 15:08

Awesome, let us know how it feels!

The Saint · November 18th, 2005, 15:18

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anyway, the barrel leinght don't affect grouping that much.

Sure it does. All else being equal, longer barrels will give tighter groupings at longer ranges than shorter barrels, with the difference in grouping depending on the degree of difference between the two barrel lengths being compared. It's just that in this case, all else is most certainly not equal and 10mm is rather small a difference.

FOX_111 · November 18th, 2005, 17:13

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anyway, the barrel leinght don't affect grouping that much.

Sure it does. All else being equal, longer barrels will give tighter groupings at longer ranges than shorter barrels, with the difference in grouping depending on the degree of difference between the two barrel lengths being compared. It's just that in this case, all else is most certainly not equal and 10mm is rather small a difference.

That's what I say. M16 barel lenght compared to an M4 is not enough to mather. Even so, the hophup is more to blame in acuracy than the barrel.

lt_poncho · November 18th, 2005, 17:41

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M16-M15 are assault rifle. You can mod them to be stronger, but don't expect much out of it.

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But the M15 shoots around 30 FPS harder than the M14 so shouldn't it shoot further, at least out of the box?

Not nesseceraly. It's the hopup that mather. FPS just make the BB go faster. It also give range, but at a sertan point...

I don't think you really know anything about Airsoft mechanics...have you ever worked on AEG's, or at least cared to test your assumptions? What a lot of disinformation!

M16's are very accurate, and have some pretty decent range out of the box. A modded one will give you even more - a hell of a lot more than any M60/M249 i've seen on the field these days.

So you're saying you don't think a 363mm barrel compares much to a 509mm barrel? Please...

FOX_111 · November 18th, 2005, 17:48

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Originally Posted by FOX_111

M16-M15 are assault rifle. You can mod them to be stronger, but don't expect much out of it.

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Originally Posted by FOX_111

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But the M15 shoots around 30 FPS harder than the M14 so shouldn't it shoot further, at least out of the box?

Not nesseceraly. It's the hopup that mather. FPS just make the BB go faster. It also give range, but at a sertan point...

I don't think you really know anything about Airsoft mechanics...have you ever worked on AEG's, or at least cared to test your assumptions? What a lot of disinformation!

M16's are very accurate, and have some pretty decent range out of the box. A modded one will give you even more - a hell of a lot more than any M60/M249 i've seen on the field these days.

So you're saying you don't think a 363mm barrel compares much to a 509mm barrel? Please...

Yes I tested. Im not saying an M16 is not acurate. Im just arguing that the difference between both barel lenght is negligeble.

The Saint · November 18th, 2005, 17:52

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Yes I tested. Im not saying an M16 is not acurate. Im just arguing that the difference between both barel lenght is negligeble.

Can you take us through your methodology?

FOX_111 · November 18th, 2005, 17:54

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Yes I tested. Im not saying an M16 is not acurate. Im just arguing that the difference between both barel lenght is negligeble.

Can you take us through your methodology?

What do you expect?

All Im saying is, out the box, both M4 and M16 will shoot about the same.

The Saint · November 18th, 2005, 17:58

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What do you expect?

All Im saying is, out the box, both M4 and M16 will shoot about the same.

I expect you to prove your position with something more than an opinion, especially since it runs contrary to common wisdom on airsoft mechanics. I don't think that's too much to ask.

FOX_111 · November 18th, 2005, 18:03

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What do you expect?

All Im saying is, out the box, both M4 and M16 will shoot about the same.

I expect you to prove your position with something more than an opinion, especially since it runs contrary to common wisdom on airsoft mechanics. I don't think that's too much to ask.

I won't be making a video of me showing you my friends AEG (I don't curently own an M4 or M16) shooting at target just to prove my point. From my experience, I found that both barrel lenght offer very similar result. A good hopup setting will give the perfect range and acuracy.

So Im sorry, other than my word, I have no scientific explanation to satisfy you.

bruce · November 18th, 2005, 23:30

Fox, are you really comparing the M4 and M16 or did you make a typo and was really talking about the M14 and M16?

DoctorDeath · November 19th, 2005, 01:32

Yeah Fox please clarify, while a 1 cm length difference would be basically negligible, i assume a 15 cm length difference would affect the performance, especially on upgraded guns.

FOX_111 · November 19th, 2005, 19:44

I was really refering to the M16 ans M4.

Altho this don't talk about acuracy, it's kinda on topic:
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=20534

And I say again, Im saying the differance is negligeable between in acuracy in both barrels. Like in not anough to mather.

The M14 is very acurate!

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November 18th, 2005, 11:34	#16
Tom_Keeler Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Charlottetown	I was wondering about that too... __________________ "In a sense, people are so enraged at the Liberal government, that they're giving Stephen Harper and his government a bye. They should take a look at what he proposes." - Former Progressive Conservative leader Joe Clark, April 26th 2004. Reported in the Globe and Mail. Section 8 Airsoft

November 18th, 2005, 23:30	#28
bruce Super Moderator Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Montreal	Fox, are you really comparing the M4 and M16 or did you make a typo and was really talking about the M14 and M16? __________________ bruce: Team Bad Karma-(BK-05) : Special Battalion East-(SBE-01)

November 19th, 2005, 01:32	#29
DoctorDeath Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St. John's / Halifax	Yeah Fox please clarify, while a 1 cm length difference would be basically negligible, i assume a 15 cm length difference would affect the performance, especially on upgraded guns. __________________ The Doctor is in.

November 18th, 2005, 15:05	#18
Blastyman Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Edmonton ,AB	The gun is full metal other then the stock ofcourse. Feels nice and solid. I be shooting real steel M14's tommorrow. Let ya know how it compares to my baby.

November 19th, 2005, 19:44	#30
FOX_111 Le Roi des poissons d'avril Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Terrebonne, Québec	I was really refering to the M16 ans M4. Altho this don't talk about acuracy, it's kinda on topic: http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=20534 And I say again, Im saying the differance is negligeable between in acuracy in both barrels. Like in not anough to mather. The M14 is very acurate! __________________ Vérificateur d'âge: Terrebonne

M15A4 rifle vs. M14

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