accuracy of aeg verses sniper rifle.

[CDN_Stalker]

Originally Posted by Hortons Heros

pm gm_gunner. He's using a bolt action gas and once he got used to it he is super accurate and getting great distance. I have no numbers but I know he does. gm's sniper is adjustable from over 600fps to 280fps. Toss him a message and see what he says.

the upgraded AEGs I've seen have had more issues. Lots of power but their hop-up can't take it. Seems cheaper to buy a good gas sniper that is already made to handle the power.

I found the same thing when I upgraded the snot out of a G&P SPR, had lots of power but accuracy and range sucked ass compared to my M24.

[ILLusion]

Originally Posted by Mongoose

Thanks for the info. Hortons. Will have to send a PM to him. I just ordered my Tanaka M700 AICS and am curious what fps it has. Of all the people I've talked to who owns this sniper rifle says they are getting fps of over 600+ fps easy!

Did some chrono tests with the AICS that I just got and adjusting the PCS bolt allowed a range of 275 fps up to 618fps. I believe it can go even higher since the bolt wasn't adjusted to its optimum range. Shooting with heavier BBs should impart even greater energy with 0.20gram equivalence of 700+ fps.

[Jeremy_V]

Thanks for all your replies!
I understand that the ballistics of airsoft are a lot different then a 308 or any rifle for that matter. Hopup plays a big role. I understand that wind also effects things a lot. I am assuming that accurate range estimation is key as well.
If I get a gun I will make a chart of where I need to aim for all the different distances I will be shooting as well as where to hold for wind.

So correct me if I am wrong You guys are saying that in a perfect world with the best gun you could shoot 100 yards and get kills? Of course this is with a fully upgraded gun no wind and knowing exactly the amount your bb is going to drop.

What I want to know is what the guns capabilities are if you take the human element out of it.

From the sounds of it I would be a lot better off getting a AEG upgraded to shoot around 450fp rather then a sniper rifle. I can see how this would be true. It seems to me that for an airsoft sniper rifle to be affective it would need to shoot at least 30% farther then most other guns and be much more accurate, from what you guys are saying that is not the case. See I said that I want to be an airsoft sniper that does not mean I need a bolt action rifle, because no rifle will make you a sniper.

So about the only reason airsoft sniper rifle are even made is so that people can play sniper rather then because the are a better weapon?

Again thanks for not flaming me! I am new and have a lot to learn thanks for taking the time to reply!

Jeremy

[Voodoo]

Its all about the weight!!! the faster you shoot the heavier the bbs need to be. .2 go wonky at 370+ so you have to counter act and give the projectile more weight.
The heavier the object the higher the terminal velocity and this is all we are dealing with. Never diagree with phisics because it will ALLWAYS slap you in the face.

[Hillslam]

You people talking about shooting 600fps and more - you're really allowed those energies at your local fields?

[Hillslam]

Originally Posted by Jeremy_V

Thanks for all your replies!

What I want to know is what the guns capabilities are if you take the human element out of it.

Looks like you about got the gist of it. As you said, *if* you take the human element out of it. My thing to remember is that because of airsoft's call-your-own-hits nature, you can't take the human element out, unless all you want to do is plink cans perhaps.

So about the only reason airsoft sniper rifle are even made is so that people can play sniper rather then because the are a better weapon?

Yep. All things considered you're going to get more results being able to put a short burst on a player than a single shot, even if your hit % and range are higher with the latter. If only because players are more programmed to hear/react to the "splatta" of a burst hitting them than the "plit" of one .2g plastic sphere.

(its also why the kind of defacto ammo loadout in airsoft tends to be 3x real steel, because in a rough way it takes 3 times the airsoft shots to achieve the same effect - for all the reasons mentioned above: weight, accuracy, range, impact energy, target's attention to actually getting hit, etc)

Having said all that - buy a Dragunov - they are dead sexy.

Hope this helps.

[Jeremy_V]

Voodoo,
the heaver bb helps a lot in the wind as well the thing that would seem to be a disadvantage is that it will drop a lot faster making range estimation a lot more critical.

So back to the accuracy thing. how accuracte is a top of the line sniper rifle... lets say you are shooting 50feet (15.24 meters) what kind of a three shot group could a person hold?

also do you guys know who the best airsoft sniper is that posts on this forum?


Jeremy

[thephenom]

Originally Posted by Hillslam

You people talking about shooting 600fps and more - you're really allowed those energies at your local fields?

That depends on which field, some fields will allow that, but the general consense is 400fps for AEG, 450fps for BA for most outdoor fields. Indoor CQB is usually sub-350fps.

[ILLusion]

Originally Posted by Jeremy_V

So about the only reason airsoft sniper rifle are even made is so that people can play sniper rather then because the are a better weapon?

Not totally true. Airsoft BA's tend to be much quieter and have instant trigger response time. There is no motor wind-up lag.

Originally Posted by Hillslam

You people talking about shooting 600fps and more - you're really allowed those energies at your local fields?

Of course not. We're only discussing the capabilities of the gun. Just because the gun is capable of hitting 600+fps, doesn't mean that's what will be used.

Originally Posted by Jeremy_V

So back to the accuracy thing. how accuracte is a top of the line sniper rifle... lets say you are shooting 50feet (15.24 meters) what kind of a three shot group could a person hold?

I just read a quantitative review of a Tanaka M700 A.I.C.S. and the shooter was achieving sub-2" groupings at 40 feet.

Originally Posted by Jeremy_V

also do you guys know who the best airsoft sniper is that posts on this forum?

Sha-Do

[CDN_Stalker]

Originally Posted by Jeremy_V

Voodoo,
the heaver bb helps a lot in the wind as well the thing that would seem to be a disadvantage is that it will drop a lot faster making range estimation a lot more critical.

So back to the accuracy thing. how accuracte is a top of the line sniper rifle... lets say you are shooting 50feet (15.24 meters) what kind of a three shot group could a person hold?

also do you guys know who the best airsoft sniper is that posts on this forum?


Jeremy

There have been times with my CA M24 and KJW M700 (shooting in my basement, at 30ft) I have and can get 5 shot 1/2" groups with 0.29g or 0.30g BBs...........

Heck, here's one I did with my M700, using propane, freshly cleaned barrel (dry swab, no oil), full mag but four shots dry-fired to level the pressure. Over two day, I shot four groups like this one by following the above procedure. I'd say 1" groups at 50ft, maybe about the same as 30ft, dunno actually.



As far as the airsoft sniper role goes, just do what I do. I've carved out a pretty effective niche for myself (am the team sniper, but it's more a tool in my toolbox than a full time role............. part time is full blown sniper, like 5% of the time, but the other 95% I'm a regular player). So, me being a regular player most of the time, I use one of my upgraded MP5s (have gotten kills out to 150ft) most of the time, and almost always have my M24 slung on my back. When the opportunity arises, either for a long shot, or my wanting a quiet shot, or just for the hell of it "Shit, I can get away with nailing this guy with my rifle!" I'll unsling my "Two Four' and take the shot. Often when attacking a base, I'll soften up the guys inside for a few minutes, then my team moves in and hammers them hard, and we take our share of casualties. When things are thinning out, like 3-4 guys left in the base, I'll leave my rifle where I was, rush in with my MP5 and G19 and do my best to clear the rest out. Extremely effective combination, having a tuned SMG and sniper rifle on you. And hey, you get the best of both worlds as far as playing experience goes!!!

[Jeremy_V]

I got sponsored be an airsoft importer here in the USA and am getting some free guns.
I think I am going to use a ICS Mp5 SD2 and then a sniper rifle for most work. however I was thinking about getting the ICS m16 and getting it fully upgraded. and useing that instead what do you guys think?

no matter what I do I will always have a GBB sidearm.

Jeremy

[CDN_Stalker]

Originally Posted by Jeremy_V

I got sponsored be an airsoft importer here in the USA and am getting some free guns.
I think I am going to use a ICS Mp5 SD2 and then a sniper rifle for most work. however I was thinking about getting the ICS m16 and getting it fully upgraded. and useing that instead what do you guys think?

no matter what I do I will always have a GBB sidearm.

Jeremy

The more guns you can carry, the more fun you'll have! I love getting pinned down behind cover, find it hard to get my MP5 up and my RDS on target while exposing as little as possible of my body to get the shots off, to change gears, pull my Glock 19 out loaded with 0.30g to 0.36g BBs and take good shots at the guys pinning me down, while only showing about 6" of myself. Gets pretty frustraing for the other side to hit something that is small and is firing back accurately.

[Cortexburn]

At our field we allow 600+ for "sniper" guns, but the allowance is on a player by player basis.

[Jeremy_V]

What upgrades would I need to get the HFC VSR-10 to be a real sniper rifle?
I from what I hear I would need to replace almost all the parts is this true?
Jeremy

I just found the review on this gun so no need to answer my dumb questions.

[Jeremy_V]

I have a chance to get two HFC VSR-10 for free should I get one gas and one spring? what do you guys think.