Guarder releasing their own M4A1

[Grim Fandango]

Originally Posted by bean

Madmax reviewed one and then said he was removing them from stock because they were crap so he has a few sitting around

Yep, not a bad looking rifle, different from your all the other ARs on the market. But the internals were crap, if I remember correctly the gears were made out of plastic, and a lot of parts broke easily. Plus all the parts aren't compatable with any other company, so you couldn't even fix them when they broke. I just hope this AEG has fixed all those problems.

[stokes]

Thats pretty weird for gaurder to produce an AEG that sucks internally. They make after market upgrades for all the other manufacturers but they dont use there own products for its AEGS...

[Amazing KG3]

Originally Posted by R.A.T.M._JLD

Ok what are the differences between the M4 and M16 bodies?

detachable carrying handle mostly. the m16a3 is supposed to have one now. also, the m16a1 doesnt have a bolt assist. As far as i know, some one can probably add something to that.

[Yuu]

Originally Posted by Amazing KG3

detachable carrying handle mostly. the m16a3 is supposed to have one now. also, the m16a1 doesnt have a bolt assist. As far as i know, some one can probably add something to that.

M16VN no forward assist 20 round mag
M16A1 has forward assist 30 round mag

And so on...

[Amazing KG3]

m16a1+m16VN? i thought

[Yuu]

Originally Posted by Amazing KG3

m16a1+m16VN? i thought

Well, the guarder one is one of the few variety of M4 prototype stage. There is model number i just can't remember. With A2 carry handle with 14.5 inch barrel it might designated as M???

My eyes it hurts.. Check the chart on this link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM177

I hate looking for digits...

[Amazing KG3]

gross the colt commando? thats back when it had the XM designation.

[Yuu]

Originally Posted by Amazing KG3

gross the colt commando? thats back when it had the XM designation.

If you scroll down there is chart full of M4 prototype stage Model designation numbers. It obivously not XM177

[Amazing KG3]

lol, i saw colt commando and i closed it. ill just hold it in and scroll down...

[Amazing KG3]

okay, m16VN is different because of the triangular handguard as well, and as Yuu mentioned, the 20 Rd mag. Gas assembly is different on real steel as well, and so is the flash hider.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by bean

Madmax reviewed one and then said he was removing them from stock because they were crap so he has a few sitting around

They've since released new metal gears which I'm going to exchange for the crap ones that came with these AEGs. First release was junk, but it looks like they've changed some things around. Other than the plastic gears, the AEG was pretty well built. I can't say anything about lifecycle durability of the other elements of the AEG as the gears gave out so soon, but the rest of the TK65 appears to be pretty convincing.

While the "Elken" sounds to be pretty junky, it's a pretty nice looking replica. The optics aren't anything like the real thing, but they're quite adequate for airsoft. The carriage and body of the scope are a pretty good imitation of the real deal. After molesting a heap of real steel arms and optics at ShotShow, I'm spoiled. ShotShow kind of warps the perspective for airsoft stuff.