biodegradable bb

[JTF27]

Originally Posted by TokyoSeven

Yet again another reason why you should not give advice.

Never use garbage BBs from walmart, biodegradable, non bio degradable, gold plated or whatever the fuck. Their garbage BBs in the majority of the case, and can and or may damage or scuff up the inside of a persons barrel. Especially the BBs that have seems. Generally speaking CT and walmart BBs are usually garbage, that is not to say you cant use them, Im sure some people have no issues at all and find nothing wrong with them, thats great, excellent even. But the BBs at my local walmart and CT arnt even fit to be used in garbage soft.

I agree, my cousin got a bunch of CT bb's from his mother for christmas and he can feel the seem sticking out of the bb's.

[AngelusNex]

Crunchmeister, the only real problem with using those walmart bbs is that they might damage your barrel and/or hoppup because the bbs sometimes have little inconsistencies such as "spikes" sticking out of em from when they were made and what not. Personally, the only thing I'd ever run Walmart bbs through is my under $150 guns, anything I spent more on I don't risk it.

And as foxtail already said they can burst into powder like one did on him at boarder war, so if you use em then nobody can use mesh goggles or ballistic glasses

[Crunchmeister]

Like I said, the bio BBs have no seams and from inspecting them, the shapes seem fine with no inconsistencies. I've went through almost 20 000 of them without a single issue, jam, stoppage, etc. Still have about 3 500 of them left and will probably use them when I go back to my friend's house next time.

However, I totally agree with that statement about the .12g BBs at CT and Wal Mart. I bought some to use with my first AEG (Double Eagle AK) because I didn't know better at the time. Not only did the BBs have seams and were sometimes misshapen, there would also be little pastic blobs mixed in with the BBs, and this caused jamming problems in both my AK's mag and in the barrel. I had to be really careful when I was pouring BBs into my mag that I was picking out the bad BBs or blobs (at least 10% were bad).

That being said, when it comes to field use, I'll be using Metaltech black and KSC Perfect .20s. Their perfectly polished finish makes them fly nice and straight. It's one thing to have to clear a barrel jam when plinking. It's another when in the field playing a game.

[eel one]

If you worry about the quality of bio BBs from wal mart then buy something that people have good experience with like the bioval/biotech.

As to BBs shattering on impact so people can't use mesh goggles... well no one should use mesh goggles anyway as they are just not safe to skirmish with.

And who cares about .12g BBs? the only thing they are good for are shower grenades and claymore mines in a good mix with other weights of BBs. And then you do not need to worry about your barrel.

[safx]

Originally Posted by TokyoSeven

Yet again another reason why you should not give advice.

I know eventually my metal tech or TM BB will break down, it may take 50 or plus years but it will still break down.

Seems you've got your facts on plastics a little off. They aren't biodegradable, but in 500 to 1000 years they can break into dust size granules. We should be concerned with our wasted bbs, it's just good sense.

http://www.slate.com/id/2169287/nav/fix/

[ProbeJax]

I buy those Wal Mart biodegradeables to test my airsoft grenade designs. They're obviously not as good as the BBs we use in our guns, but they appear to be seamless and smooth, at least.

[TokyoSeven]

Originally Posted by safx

Seems you've got your facts on plastics a little off. They aren't biodegradable, but in 500 to 1000 years they can break into dust size granules. We should be concerned with our wasted bbs, it's just good sense.

http://www.slate.com/id/2169287/nav/fix/

Who said they were facts? It was just the info Ive come to know and understand, I never said they were biodegradable, I said they would break down, they are two seperate meanings. However my quote of the time was a generalisation, at first I thought you were attemtping to make a friendly correction, but now I conclude it was more of nit picking than anything else. I dont mind being corrected, but the comment wasnt meant to be taken as fact, just as a generic comment.

[safx]

Originally Posted by TokyoSeven

Who said they were facts? It was just the info Ive come to know and understand, I never said they were biodegradable, I said they would break down, they are two seperate meanings. However my quote of the time was a generalisation, at first I thought you were attemtping to make a friendly correction, but now I conclude it was more of nit picking than anything else. I dont mind being corrected, but the comment wasnt meant to be taken as fact, just as a generic comment.

LOL, I already corrected you. But since you don't like being corrected you had to post this complaint. Here's a hint— if you don't know what your talking about then you should do a little reading before advising others. Now you just splitting hairs with your meanings, nice strawman argument.

Your post made it sound like using plastic bbs isn't that bad since in 50 years they'll be gone anyway. When the reality is far worse.

[HaZarD SFD]

Originally Posted by eel one

If you worry about the quality of bio BBs from wal mart then buy something that people have good experience with like the bioval/biotech.

As to BBs shattering on impact so people can't use mesh goggles... well no one should use mesh goggles anyway as they are just not safe to skirmish with.

And who cares about .12g BBs? the only thing they are good for are shower grenades and claymore mines in a good mix with other weights of BBs. And then you do not need to worry about your barrel.

Eel the goggles used were goggles not mesh goggles. they had a full face seal and somehow it got in.. I dont know the specifics but they were not mesh.

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by HaZarD SFD

Eel the goggles used were goggles not mesh goggles. they had a full face seal and somehow it got in.. I dont know the specifics but they were not mesh.

They had a little gap like Bolle 800's.

[HaZarD SFD]

Originally Posted by eel one

If you worry about the quality of bio BBs from wal mart then buy something that people have good experience with like the bioval/biotech.

As to BBs shattering on impact so people can't use mesh goggles... well no one should use mesh goggles anyway as they are just not safe to skirmish with.

And who cares about .12g BBs? the only thing they are good for are shower grenades and claymore mines in a good mix with other weights of BBs. And then you do not need to worry about your barrel.

Originally Posted by Ibby

They had a little gap like Bolle 800's.

Actually the gap was even smaller.. if not barely there. They were the ducks unlimited shooting glasses from Lebarons.. they have a really good seal.

[Sha Do]

Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker

This should be a good debate.

<grabs popcorn and beer>

I recall that there was a related debate over the Biodegradeable BBs a few years ago... something along the lines that someone actually tested the many brands of Biodegradeable BB's and had some disturbing findings.
They documented their findings after testing ten or so different manufacturers' lines of biodegradeable BBs.
Out of the ten or so tested, only two manufacturers' BBs were actually biodegradeable, while the BBs from the remaining manufacturers were not so biodegradeable, if at all.
I believe that Arnie's had it posted for a while.

Just an FYI;
SHA DO

[eel one]

That is true, it was a swedish guy who did a lab test on the different BB's compounds. As far as I remember bioval was the only true bio degradable and the "Excel Bio BBs" was exactly the same product as ordinary Excel BBs.

Edit: Found it:
http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/?filn.../bio_tests.htm

[TokyoSeven]

Originally Posted by safx

LOL, I already corrected you. But since you don't like being corrected you had to post this complaint. Here's a hint— if you don't know what your talking about then you should do a little reading before advising others. Now you just splitting hairs with your meanings, nice strawman argument.

Your post made it sound like using plastic bbs isn't that bad since in 50 years they'll be gone anyway. When the reality is far worse.

Yes, I should do a little reading before advising others, your right about that, and I usually do, but I dont recall giving any advice in this thread at all. I was just putting in my opinion. Like I said, your just nit picking.

Your right, airsoft BBs are going to ruin the world, and destroy the enviroment, not toxic dumping in the ocean, not the depletion of the ozone layer, not clear cutting forests, but the littering of millions apon millions of little tiny plastic BBs is going to destory the world, when you state it with a " matter of fact attitude" like that yeah it does sound pretty bad doesnt it?

Better get your tin foil hats on, we are all doomed!

[Crunchmeister]

Honestly, I have little concern about environmental damage from BBs. They don't break down rapidly, but they don't introduce polluting chemicals into the environment either. After a while, they just get covered up by other dirt, rocks, etc and get buried where they do no harm. The only reason I bother with bio BBs when I go to my friend's place it so that his back yard isn't littered with thousands of these BBs once the snow melts. I do it out of respect for his place, not because I have environmental concerns.

And those Wal Mart "Arctic White" bio BBs do break down rapidly. I put a couple in a glass of water, and after a couple of days, they had broken down to nothing but a sludge at the bottom of the glass. How environmentally friendly the materials the BBs are made of are, I don't know. But at least I know they do break down rapidly when in contact with moisture.