SOPMOD Block 2 / MK18 MOD 1

[MilanWG]

I don''t know the entire story behind the pics, but I know Trey Knight from Knight’s Armament and Drake from Magpul were at the ACC '09 shoot so I am assuming someone brought some toys with them

And the pics are floating around, www.ar-15.com, www.militaryphotos.net, etc.

There are some great pics on http://www.aacblog.com/ of the '09 shoot also.

Hope that helps and awesome build Brian!

[theguy]

Originally Posted by ILLusion

Milan, where in the world did you get those photos? Do you by any chance have photos of the opposite side?

Why is that gun in an Advanced Armament shoot out? I was under the impression that KAC was the sole manufacturer of the M4QD. Unless they license from AAC?



More like:

• Rear BUIS - The current runner ups under speculation for this particular build, is the KAC 600m rear flip up sight as seen in my replica, or the LMT BUIS. As a side note, the front sight in theguy's build isn't in the proper location. It should be two more notches forward.
• Barrel - As already discussed, 14.5" vs 10.3".
• Receiver - Stag Arms has never been a company selected for NAVSPECWAR DEVGRU use. End of story. Colt is the primary manufacturer who supplies to the US Army, Navy & SOCOM, followed by specialty manufacturers such as Knights Armament Corp. I can't recall a Stag Arms receiver ever showing on such a weapon. Not to say it never will, I'm just saying it's not likely for a replica of this nature.
• Rail system - The real Daniel Defense MK18 RISII was never produced in black. Only prototype versions were ever made in black, but never made it to production.
• Rear sling hook - Tthere is one specifically procured for the MK18 mod0. The one used in theguy's build is not the correct one, and also will not likely be the one used in the final Block 2 or mk18 mod1 release.
• Suppressor - The can used in theguy's build looks like a replica of the SOCOM .45 CAL can... which is a popular style, but incorrect for many reasons. The biggest issue is: it's a .45CAL can, mounted to a 5.56mm carbine. You would never see this can on ANY real world 5.56mm carbine, let alone a MK18.

That's just stickling for details. The same people who get their panties up in a bunch over these details are the same ones who will fight tooth to nail, the differences between a MK18 MOD0, and a NSW CQB-R. There are specific differences that make one build fall under one designation, and another build under the other designation, and another that will have it fall under NEITHER.

Yikes sorry man,

I'm not an expert on these specific details, just noticed a number of similarities, figured i would post it up.

[ILLusion]

Originally Posted by beatbaker

I don''t know the entire story behind the pics, but I know Trey Knight from Knight’s Armament and Drake from Magpul were at the ACC '09 shoot so I am assuming someone brought some toys with them

And the pics are floating around, www.ar-15.com, www.militaryphotos.net, etc.

There are some great pics on http://www.aacblog.com/ of the '09 shoot also.

Hope that helps and awesome build Brian!

Thanks for the links, buddy. Much appreciated. I'll be using this info as reference for more accurate versions of this build in the near future. I'm currently in the process of building a something pretty nice based on this concept, that is quite different from the AEG shell shown in these pix.

As an off-topic, I noticed in one of the videos from the AAC Blog site, they showed a De Lisle Commando carbine... very sick gun!

Originally Posted by theguy

Yikes sorry man,

I'm not an expert on these specific details, just noticed a number of similarities, figured i would post it up.

I understand. No need to be sorry. I just wanted to clarify that there are defining differences between what is, and what isn't a replica of what I was building here.
Just because a Mazda 3 and a Honda Civic are compact cars and Japanese manufactured, it doesn't mean they are exactly the same just because they have four doors, four wheels, a trunk, and a 4 cylinder engine.

[ILLusion]

I've just re-loaded the images, with some new ones added in. See the top post for the new photos.

[horto]

Originally Posted by ILLusion

Hmm... I DO have an Elcan Specter in FDE here...

where the heck did you get that? those things cost as much as a ptw :P

[Conker]

That's awesome, and attention to details is impressive.

That, and you should do a "tips to take pictures of your guns" thread. Obviously, a good photographer with good lightning and camera is a start, but further than that...

[ILLusion]

Originally Posted by horto

where the heck did you get that? those things cost as much as a ptw :P

I traded it for a pistol.... lol


Side note: I just included a write up in to the original post.

Originally Posted by Conker

That's awesome, and attention to details is impressive.

That, and you should do a "tips to take pictures of your guns" thread. Obviously, a good photographer with good lightning and camera is a start, but further than that...

Thanks. I actually feel like my pictures are lazy. :P But I do have a studio grade setup here, plus a little bit of photo shop work rounds it out.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Conker

That's awesome, and attention to details is impressive.

That, and you should do a "tips to take pictures of your guns" thread. Obviously, a good photographer with good lightning and camera is a start, but further than that...

check out pens sticky on that.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=17446

[Saint_blackhand]

More like:

• Rear BUIS - The current runner ups under speculation for this particular build, is the KAC 600m rear flip up sight as seen in my replica, or the LMT BUIS. As a side note, the front sight in theguy's build isn't in the proper location. It should be two more notches forward.
• Barrel - As already discussed, 14.5" vs 10.3".
• Receiver - Stag Arms has never been a company selected for NAVSPECWAR DEVGRU use. End of story. Colt is the primary manufacturer who supplies to the US Army, Navy & SOCOM, followed by specialty manufacturers such as Knights Armament Corp. I can't recall a Stag Arms receiver ever showing on such a weapon. Not to say it never will, I'm just saying it's not likely for a replica of this nature.
• Rail system - The real Daniel Defense MK18 RISII was never produced in black. Only prototype versions were ever made in black, but never made it to production.
• Rear sling hook - Tthere is one specifically procured for the MK18 mod0. The one used in theguy's build is not the correct one, and also will not likely be the one used in the final Block 2 or mk18 mod1 release.
• Suppressor - The can used in theguy's build looks like a replica of the SOCOM .45 CAL can... which is a popular style, but incorrect for many reasons. The biggest issue is: it's a .45CAL can, mounted to a 5.56mm carbine. You would never see this can on ANY real world 5.56mm carbine, let alone a MK18.

That's just stickling for details. The same people who get their panties up in a bunch over these details are the same ones who will fight tooth to nail, the differences between a MK18 MOD0, and a NSW CQB-R. There are specific differences that make one build fall under one designation, and another build under the other designation, and another that will have it fall under NEITHER.

Thanks I was wondering the differences. So why does the rear sight being two slots affect the type of gun. See my bad I didn't even look at the reciever. I have seen one of those .45 cal suppressor on an AIMS on the "unit" but maybe that was movie magic.

A side question here is the heat from the barrel ever to able distort the rail system?

Are you ever going to mount a short m203?

[ILLusion]

Originally Posted by Saint_blackhand

Thanks I was wondering the differences. So why does the rear sight being two slots affect the type of gun.

It's not the rear sight that's out of place, it's the front sight. I made that comment not as an issue on the classification type of the weapon, but as a general gunsmithing/installation note. The further apart open sights are (from front to rear), the more accuracy the shooter is able to achieve. Therefore, the shooter should always be spacing them out as far as possible along the rails. Besides... I've never seen a factory built KAC weapon with the front sight anywhere but as far as possible on the front of the weapon. Take a look at the SR-15, SR-25, and the new PDW.

Originally Posted by Saint_blackhand

I have seen one of those .45 cal suppressor on an AIMS on the "unit" but maybe that was movie magic.

I wouldn't be surprised if it were a case of movie magic, as there are plenty of cinematic continuity errors when it comes to technical details like this (and even stupider ones, like backwards Aimpoints), but I find that The Unit is generally fairly accurate.
Here's a good catalogue of all the weapons used in the series: http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/The_Unit

Originally Posted by Saint_blackhand

A side question here is the heat from the barrel ever to able distort the rail system?

If the rail system were completely enclosed and made from heat sensitive materials, then yes, it's possible. However, that's the reason why rails are made from aluminum, don't touch the outer barrel, and are swiss cheesed with all those holes - it's all to allow proper ventilation and minimize heat build up through managed energy dissipation.

Heat can also definitely transfer through the hand guard (it acts as a big heatsink), which is why shooters attach synthetic rail covers or ladders to the areas that they'll grip, so that heat does not transfer through those areas.

Originally Posted by Saint_blackhand

Are you ever going to mount a short m203?

Yes, been considering it, but haven't had the time/opportunity to do it. I do have a short M203 here... I'll try it when I get a chance.

[ILLusion]

After doing a lot of research, I've found that all of the Daniel Defense RIS II products EXCEPT the MK18 RIS II is able to accept an M203.

The MK18 RIS II, unfortunately, is NOT M203 compatible. :*(

[Ace of Spades©]

I've seen some RS dudes mounting their rear sight behind AN/PEQ15's. Never tried it as I like fixed BUIS.

Illusion, do have another photoshoot with a Specter =D

[ILLusion]

Originally Posted by Ace of Spades

I've seen some RS dudes mounting their rear sight behind AN/PEQ15's. Never tried it as I like fixed BUIS.

I know some guys do it because they need the real estate directly above the receiver for other optics that aren't compatible with the size of their BUIS.

Do you have any links to these pix?

Originally Posted by Ace of Spades

Illusion, do have another photoshoot with a Specter =D

Will definitely do. Soon as I get some of my photo gear back, I'll do it. Otherwise, I'll just do a shoot against my ugly carpet and hardwood flooring. LOL

[Ace of Spades©]

I can't remember where I saw them, gonna search around on Lightfighter, I think that is where...

Hardwood and carpet is still better backdrop compared to what I had, ugly issued bed =)

[billli]

Originally Posted by ILLusion

After doing a lot of research, I've found that all of the Daniel Defense RIS II products EXCEPT the MK18 RIS II is able to accept an M203.

The MK18 RIS II, unfortunately, is NOT M203 compatible. :*(

Horror...

So a RIS launcher like this can't be attached? -> http://www.airsplat.com/Items/AC-UPE-ICS-MA76.htm