systema vs guarder clear: hop up

[Azathoth]

Originally Posted by Skladfin

chilax man.

just curious,

do you ever wash your hop up rubbers?

I tried doing that once. Then I shot 15k through the gun. and did another clean. This time i shot a bag of cleaned BB's through the rubber. I think you get Better results from cleaning your BB's over the rubber.

[Skladfin]

Originally Posted by Azathoth

I tried doing that once. Then I shot 15k through the gun. and did another clean. This time i shot a bag of cleaned BB's through the rubber. I think you get Better results from cleaning your BB's over the rubber.

remember, shooting clean BB will give you better accuracy by itself.

this also depends on what brand rubber you are using and how much the hop up rubber has absorbed grease/oil.

if there's too much grease/oil, wash it first, and then shoot clean BBs. This will shoot out the remaining grease out of the rubber overtime with exertion of pressure.

if it's a new hop up rubber, just wash it. No need to shoot clean BBs, it's already as clean as it gets after you wash it. Shooting clean BBs won't really help but ya.

[Azathoth]

Originally Posted by Skladfin

remember, shooting clean BB will give you better accuracy by itself.

this also depends on what brand rubber you are using and how much the hop up rubber has absorbed grease/oil.

if there's too much grease/oil, wash it first, and then shoot clean BBs. This will shoot out the remaining grease out of the rubber overtime with exertion of pressure.

if it's a new hop up rubber, just wash it. No need to shoot clean BBs, it's already as clean as it gets after you wash it. Shooting clean BBs won't really help but ya.

When I shoot Clean BB's I notice a huge difference in how clean/filthy the barrel is after. Normally after a game or 5k of plinking the barrel is pretty dirty when using unwashed BB's.

With washed BB's their is barely any gunk inside the barrel.

You are right about the brand of hopup rubber. Different companies use different materials. Some use synthetic RUBBER, other high end rubbers are made of genuine rubber (or a higher ratio of genuine to synthetic) while the low end stuff can be almost anything. I've seen some china brand "rubbers" that had the texture, and finish, and held it's shape like it was made of the same plastic as the heavy duty garbage bags.

I don't see any harm in washing the rubber, and I do notice a change in how sensitive the hopup dial can be. With SCS, Washed BB, and washed rubber it's pretty stupid how much lift you can give a BB.

[m102404]

I really like the Guarder Black for 360+fps guns and Guarder Clear for everything.

I've had phenomenal results with Guarder Clear on 390-420 rifles...just jaw dropping. But they probably won't last long...dunno, I'm into my guns so often that I just change it out if it's the least bit worn...or do it anyways as a cheap preventative thing. I haven't personally worn one out, but it'd be fair to say that I've never shot one until it wore out either. For the cruise missle like range and predictability of some setups...I'd gladly drop in a new rubber for each game if that's what it'd take to have that clutch shot confidence in your setup (i.e. I've just spent a g-note on a rifle,gear and kit, time/expense for the game...I want that shot to count when I make it...and the piddly cost of a hopup rubber is inconsequential, whatever works well enough is good enough). I've never shot out a hopup rubber in a single game.

On a SAW or high volume/ROF gun...I'd stick in a guarder black for durability.

I don't wash BBs...or rubbers...or slip on no-lint/sterile gloves when I grab a handful of bbs from the bag to fill my loader. I'm sure a pristine "clean" system is better...for me it's just not practical for a lot of the mil-sims/games. Usually everthing is covered in mud/swamp...or else dusty.

[CDN_Stalker]

Stalker loves the Guarder Clear.

[StrikeFreedom]

Is it necessary to upgrade the hopup if you mainly play cqb?

[Crunchmeister]

Systema make shit hopup rubbers. Full stop. There's no arguing this. Their rubbers are poor quality.

Although intended for lower FPS applications, I tend to use the Guarder Clear on everything up to about 380 fps. Above that, they tend to be too soft to apply enough hop. I have them in all my guns, and anyone who's fired any of my guns will tell you they're tack drivers with insane range.

[Amos]

Originally Posted by StrikeFreedom

Is it necessary to upgrade the hopup if you mainly play cqb?

depends what your ranges are.

If there's places that are 100+ feet... you should think about a cheap hop-up rubber upgrade. (Just the rubber though, not the chamber)

[Azathoth]

Originally Posted by Amos

depends what your ranges are.

If there's places that are 100+ feet... you should think about a cheap hop-up rubber upgrade. (Just the rubber though, not the chamber)

I disagree, Their is no reason to upgrade your rubber for a style of play CQB vs field. A rubber is a rubber is a rubber. If it shoots good at long range, it will likely shoot good at short. If your CQB gun has a very high ROF you may be concerned about a higher rate of wear on your hopup rubber.

Hopup chambers are an excellent upgrade to any gun with a 2pc plastic or metal hopup chamber. Better chambers feed better, have better airseal. If you have a 2 pc in a cqb gun then it's ok. But for a field gun where you are going to be making many 150+ ft shots I recommend 2 pc.

[Amos]

Originally Posted by Azathoth

I disagree, Their is no reason to upgrade your rubber for a style of play CQB vs field. A rubber is a rubber is a rubber. If it shoots good at long range, it will likely shoot good at short. If your CQB gun has a very high ROF you may be concerned about a higher rate of wear on your hopup rubber.

Hopup chambers are an excellent upgrade to any gun with a 2pc plastic or metal hopup chamber. Better chambers feed better, have better airseal. If you have a 2 pc in a cqb gun then it's ok. But for a field gun where you are going to be making many 150+ ft shots I recommend 2 pc.

If his CQB place is like my local CQB place the furthest distance you engage people at is probably around 30 feet (there are some places where it goes out to about 80 or so, but hardly anyone goes there)

There's absolutely no reason to NEED upgrade your hop-up unit for CLOSE Cqb. If people are a CQB ONLY player there's no reason for them to tune their gun to far ranges.

[m102404]

Originally Posted by Azathoth

I disagree, Their is no reason to upgrade your rubber for a style of play CQB vs field. A rubber is a rubber is a rubber. If it shoots good at long range, it will likely shoot good at short. If your CQB gun has a very high ROF you may be concerned about a higher rate of wear on your hopup rubber.

Hopup chambers are an excellent upgrade to any gun with a 2pc plastic or metal hopup chamber. Better chambers feed better, have better airseal. If you have a 2 pc in a cqb gun then it's ok. But for a field gun where you are going to be making many 150+ ft shots I recommend 2 pc.

Sorry...maybe lunch has sucked all the blood out of my brain...but what the hell are you talking about in your second paragraph? What type of gun? Do you mean you switch a 1 piece metal hopup (what gun?) to a 2 piece for outdoors....how?

IMHO...I wouldn't sweat changing out the hopup rubber for indoor CQB...as long as your rubber isn't damaged and is at least putting on enough hopup to get the BB far enough out. CQB is CLOSE quarters battle...if you're sniping away all evening at 100+ft with a little MP5K, you should grab some buddies and move up.

[Skladfin]

guys, I make 200feet shots consistently and their are all headshots(25cm grouping). That's with a 400FPS AEG with prometheus soft washed hop up rubber(And other accuracy upgrades). The distance is properly measured. I even have pictorial evidence from my VSR that does 1.5cm at 40feet.

everyone all just SAY "oh i got phenomenal results... ugh jizz" and no pictorial evidence of tests or anything of the sort. Only word of the mouth and "ya i saw it! it was like sooooo accurate", with no evidence. only talk and no walk.

[m102404]

Originally Posted by Skladfin

guys, I make 200feet shots consistently and their are all headshots(25cm grouping). That's with a 400FPS AEG with prometheus soft washed hop up rubber(And other accuracy upgrades). The distance is properly measured. I even have pictorial evidence from my VSR that does 1.5cm at 40feet.

everyone all just SAY "oh i got phenomenal results... ugh jizz" and no pictorial evidence of tests or anything of the sort. Only word of the mouth and "ya i saw it! it was like sooooo accurate", with no evidence. only talk and no walk.

Ok...LOL It's all talk. You got everyone, we're all full of shit. Next time we'll stop the mil-sim and get out the field tape measure. HAHAHAHAHA!

BTW...I hope the next post you make is the video of you making that 200ft headshot and then (uncut) measuring it out, then get the premier of BC to notarize it please, because I won't take the camera guy at his word either, he might have altered the film. [HEAVY SARCASM...I could care less in reality if you have a vid of it or not]

Now...don't get me wrong...I'm not saying that you're a liar or "only talk and no walk". You've got a nice pic of a tiny little cluster at 40ft. Good for you and I'm sure that all your washing and scrubbing pays off for you. That's awesome, congrats. I'm sure everyone can make a target like that... however...without witnessing and standardized testing conditions...without an impartial review of the measurements and test parameters...everyone has to take your results, ass-orgasmic or not, at your word. (I've shot a fair bit of target....and nobody gets to mail in their scores of a group they shot on their own to be scored in a competition). Anyone could shoot a group at 5ft, write 40ft on it with a marker and say "there ya go"...(note: Again, I am not calling you a liar, I am just a bit put off with your holier-than-thou comment that everyone who can't/won't produce a documentary of their shots is full of shit)

Likewise...when others say they've gotten great results off of other things...it doesn't automatically mean that they're blowing bullshit in your ear. To think otherwise is just plain fucking rude.

Tys

[Skladfin]

Originally Posted by m102404

Ok...LOL It's all talk. You got everyone, we're all full of shit. Next time we'll stop the mil-sim and get out the field tape measure. HAHAHAHAHA!

BTW...I hope the next post you make is the video of you making that 200ft headshot and then (uncut) measuring it out. Now...don't get me wrong...I'm not saying that you're a liar or only talk and no walk.

Tys

i feel like a broken record these days

[m102404]

Didn't ask for a pic of a paper target. Pfft...who's to say that you shot that 42ft and not 10ft and just wrote 42ft on it? Who's to say that's even your gun or your target? (again...this is sarcasm for the point of making a point, reference my last post for clarification...I edited it).

...anyways where's the film documentary of the 200ft headshot cluster group?