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wey ferro · May 2nd, 2007, 00:52

you spend all that money on the best guns and put shitty replica stuff on them...bad man, very bad man

mcguyver · May 2nd, 2007, 00:56

I put the good stuff on the real guns. You think a PTW with toys is expensive, try a real AR with real ARMS, EoTech, Mags, grips, ammo and lots of it, bolts, parts and maintenance items.

I could buy 2 PTWs for the money in my Bushmaster. And I rarely use the damn thing.

If I had your money, all my guns, real and PTW, would have the good toys. But I'm just a simple electrician trying to make my way!!!

Lakonian · May 2nd, 2007, 01:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcguyver

I put the good stuff on the real guns. You think a PTW with toys is expensive, try a real AR with real ARMS, EoTech, Mags, grips, ammo and lots of it, bolts, parts and maintenance items.

I could buy 2 PTWs for the money in my Bushmaster. And I rarely use the damn thing.

If I had your money, all my guns, real and PTW, would have the good toys. But I'm just a simple electrician trying to make my way!!!

Every AR in existence is a money dump. That's a fact.

stokes · May 2nd, 2007, 01:59

lol you can say that again kos...

wey ferro · May 2nd, 2007, 13:32

get a job at costco people

Kimbo · May 2nd, 2007, 13:35

LOL, that's where the fat cash is...Costco

Lakonian · May 2nd, 2007, 13:39

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Originally Posted by pivot

LOL, that's where the fat cash is...Costco

You're in alberta. In Ontario Costco only pays $9 (or around that).

Horse · May 2nd, 2007, 19:34

I cant get on to arnies from work right now and I was wondering if anyone could tell me about the long term durability of the PTW?

I know this sounds crazy - very crazy indeed - but I am still looking for a reliable platform to build a SAW. Every AEG "SAW" out there uses the same stupid internals that just cant be used like a SAW. They also cost the same as a PTW. Wouldnt it make sense to just get a PTW and build a Shrike type kit on it?

I say this because I have heard that the MAX kits are vitually indestructable, and that is exactly what a SAW is supposed to be. FYI my local field regs for SAW are 450 FPS (w/ .2's) max fps, so I could "down tune" the MAX guns and it should increase durability right?

ILLusion · May 2nd, 2007, 19:39

Hmm.. I wonder if an HK416 kit can be retrofitted on to a PTW...

mcguyver · May 2nd, 2007, 20:22

Sorry, Illusion. It can't as of yet. The PTW needs an upper with real-steel dimensions and so far HK won't sell their 416 upper to civilians. The airsoft kits are the wrong dimensions and won't fit a PTW.

But the good news is you can buy a real upper (Armalite, Bushmaster, Colt) for about $200 (stripped) new and only a few small mods are required to fit it to a PTW. Some guys in Europe do real steel uppers and lowers on PTWs. We can't do lowers here because they're the restricted item under the Firearms Act. You don't even need ID to by an upper.

ILLusion · May 2nd, 2007, 20:46

How did you fit your CASV on, if it's a King Arms airsoft one?

mcguyver · May 2nd, 2007, 22:19

The top rail and barrel nut are the same for most airsoft and real steel. The body and grip are fattened a little to accomodate the mechbox and motor.

I can fit the KA CASV on a real AR with no trouble at all. Real uppers and lowers can be modified to fit the PTW mechbox and cylinder kit. They are too narrow for all other airsoft guns.

wey ferro · May 3rd, 2007, 03:13

where are uppers for 200?
i didnt see any used ones on cgn.
they try to sell shitty ones here for 350

ILLusion · May 3rd, 2007, 04:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcguyver

The top rail and barrel nut are the same for most airsoft and real steel. The body and grip are fattened a little to accomodate the mechbox and motor.

I can fit the KA CASV on a real AR with no trouble at all. Real uppers and lowers can be modified to fit the PTW mechbox and cylinder kit. They are too narrow for all other airsoft guns.

So what prevents being able to fit an airsoft front end kit (say for example and SPR kit) on to the PTW receiver?

mcguyver · May 3rd, 2007, 10:04

You can fit an SPR RAS, but the outer barrel for an AEG has far too small an inner diameter to fit a PTW inner barrel. You could use a 20" PTW barrel, get a real steel gas block from Armalite, GG&G, or whoever, but the SPR flashider (real or airsoft) would need to be drilled out to accomodate the PTW inner barrel.

I have a Metal Tech M16-length RAS on my M16A3, and with the replacement of the front sight tower with a gas block and an SPR flashider is all I'd need to give it the SPR look.

And Wey, go to a gun shop like TSE and ask for a stripped AR upper. They will know what you are talking about. You should pay about $200 and will get just the upper, no bolt carrier, barrel, barrel nut or carry handle. Alot of guys sell complete uppers with barrel, etc for about $600-$800.

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May 2nd, 2007, 00:52	#31
wey ferro Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2004	you spend all that money on the best guns and put shitty replica stuff on them...bad man, very bad man __________________ www.ferroconcepts.com

May 2nd, 2007, 00:56	#32
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	I put the good stuff on the real guns. You think a PTW with toys is expensive, try a real AR with real ARMS, EoTech, Mags, grips, ammo and lots of it, bolts, parts and maintenance items. I could buy 2 PTWs for the money in my Bushmaster. And I rarely use the damn thing. If I had your money, all my guns, real and PTW, would have the good toys. But I'm just a simple electrician trying to make my way!!! __________________ Age verifier Northern Alberta Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. Freedom is the wolves limping away while the sheep reloads. Never confuse freedom with democracy.

May 2nd, 2007, 13:32	#35
wey ferro Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2004	get a job at costco people __________________ www.ferroconcepts.com

May 2nd, 2007, 01:59	#34
stokes Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Toronto	lol you can say that again kos...

May 2nd, 2007, 13:35	#36
Kimbo formerly pivot Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Calgary	LOL, that's where the fat cash is...Costco

May 2nd, 2007, 19:34	#38
Horse Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Layton, Utah USA	I cant get on to arnies from work right now and I was wondering if anyone could tell me about the long term durability of the PTW? I know this sounds crazy - very crazy indeed - but I am still looking for a reliable platform to build a SAW. Every AEG "SAW" out there uses the same stupid internals that just cant be used like a SAW. They also cost the same as a PTW. Wouldnt it make sense to just get a PTW and build a Shrike type kit on it? I say this because I have heard that the MAX kits are vitually indestructable, and that is exactly what a SAW is supposed to be. FYI my local field regs for SAW are 450 FPS (w/ .2's) max fps, so I could "down tune" the MAX guns and it should increase durability right?

May 2nd, 2007, 19:39	#39
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	Hmm.. I wonder if an HK416 kit can be retrofitted on to a PTW... __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

May 2nd, 2007, 20:22	#40
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	Sorry, Illusion. It can't as of yet. The PTW needs an upper with real-steel dimensions and so far HK won't sell their 416 upper to civilians. The airsoft kits are the wrong dimensions and won't fit a PTW. But the good news is you can buy a real upper (Armalite, Bushmaster, Colt) for about $200 (stripped) new and only a few small mods are required to fit it to a PTW. Some guys in Europe do real steel uppers and lowers on PTWs. We can't do lowers here because they're the restricted item under the Firearms Act. You don't even need ID to by an upper. __________________ Age verifier Northern Alberta Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. Freedom is the wolves limping away while the sheep reloads. Never confuse freedom with democracy.

May 2nd, 2007, 20:46	#41
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	How did you fit your CASV on, if it's a King Arms airsoft one? __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

May 2nd, 2007, 22:19	#42
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	The top rail and barrel nut are the same for most airsoft and real steel. The body and grip are fattened a little to accomodate the mechbox and motor. I can fit the KA CASV on a real AR with no trouble at all. Real uppers and lowers can be modified to fit the PTW mechbox and cylinder kit. They are too narrow for all other airsoft guns. __________________ Age verifier Northern Alberta Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. Freedom is the wolves limping away while the sheep reloads. Never confuse freedom with democracy.

May 3rd, 2007, 03:13	#43
wey ferro Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2004	where are uppers for 200? i didnt see any used ones on cgn. they try to sell shitty ones here for 350 __________________ www.ferroconcepts.com

May 3rd, 2007, 10:04	#45
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	You can fit an SPR RAS, but the outer barrel for an AEG has far too small an inner diameter to fit a PTW inner barrel. You could use a 20" PTW barrel, get a real steel gas block from Armalite, GG&G, or whoever, but the SPR flashider (real or airsoft) would need to be drilled out to accomodate the PTW inner barrel. I have a Metal Tech M16-length RAS on my M16A3, and with the replacement of the front sight tower with a gas block and an SPR flashider is all I'd need to give it the SPR look. And Wey, go to a gun shop like TSE and ask for a stripped AR upper. They will know what you are talking about. You should pay about $200 and will get just the upper, no bolt carrier, barrel, barrel nut or carry handle. Alot of guys sell complete uppers with barrel, etc for about $600-$800. __________________ Age verifier Northern Alberta Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. Freedom is the wolves limping away while the sheep reloads. Never confuse freedom with democracy.

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