Ultimate Bullpup Airsoft gun ??

[T@NK]

Originally Posted by R.I.T.Z

in the end you are using these toys to shoot at eachother and play soldier. sorry to say but thats it.

so what do you suggest here, walmart clear body cheapo? the more realistic the better, u understand, right?

[Kingsix]

Originally Posted by R.I.T.Z

and in the end they are.... toys...

Ok in that case I'd perfer the toy that won't break if I abuse/drop it.

[Amos]

Originally Posted by Rugger_can

lulz, So your saying that your opinion is completely unbiased.

I'm unbias, I've owned and worked on both.

What Wingmantank is saying is 100% true.

The TS Type 97 are made out of the same polymer that the real T97 is.

The ARES Tavor is not.

I'll be perfectly honest, The Ares feels like a cheap toy when compared to the T97

[Gigueand]

I ran an ICS L85A2 for a bit of the summer season here in Michigan.

The ICS L85A2 has pretty decent balance, but is still relatively heavy. The bullpup balance makes it easy so shoot with the off-hand, or simply one-handed.

I found that the rifle was great for when I was "on the move," but it was hard to manage from the prone position. This could just have been me. Reloading in the prone is terrible, I often found that I had to roll onto my side just to get at the magazine and pull it clear. The gun did feed from all of the magazines I own (MAG brand, ICS high-caps, crappy China made high-caps, STAR, etc).

Magazine changes are not as fast as an armalite or similar, but easier with practice. The controls are not very well set-up and the magazine release is awkwardly placed.

These are inherent "problems" with the design of the real steel weapon.

The ICS internal design is great, however. Easy gearbox to work on, quick change spring feature. Has a nice, crisp trigger pull due to the way the trigger mechanism is designed. The plastic are nice and heavy duty. Compared to a G&G, the ICS feels a lot more like a real weapon and less like a toy. I have been told that the STAR/ARES version is cosmetically better, but would bet that the ICS is more "user friendly" just based on the way it is designed.

This discussion on Arnie's shows how the different L85s on the market break down and pretty much demonstrates how much better designed the ICS version is in that regard.

Some more discussions of different brands:

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forum...69790&hl=L85A2

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forum...64801&hl=L85A2

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forum...65773&hl=L85A2




RE: other rifles -

I owned a P90 for a while, but just couldn't get over how plasticy and lightweight they feel. The magazines are a pain to carry around, in my opinion.

The F2000 or AUG would probably be my choice if I was planning to buy another bull-pup. G&G F2000, however, can only take high capacity STANAG magazines stock, if I recall correctly. Mid-caps have to be modded to fit. Unfortunately, no one in China has figured out that an AUG that takes STANAG magazines (MSAR) would be a best seller...

I have only held a Tavor once and it left a good impress. Having read up on them, however, I have seen far to many people complaining of various problems. Seems like a gun that you really, really must want to own in order to make the investment necessary to get it running 100%.

[SuperCriollo]

Originally Posted by Amos

I'm unbias, I've owned and worked on both.

What Wingmantank is saying is 100% true.

The TS Type 97 are made out of the same polymer that the real T97 is.

The ARES Tavor is not.

I'll be perfectly honest, The Ares feels like a cheap toy when compared to the T97

That's what is so appealing of the RS Type 97. The realism and the quality seems to be fantastic. However from the guns listed, the Type 97 is the only one that I havent held so I wouldn't know if I like it until I try it. The only problem is that to be honest the looks of the Type 97 doesn't really turn me on. The Type 97b looks nicer IMO, but stillnot as sexy as the Tavor, and the flash hider is just.. hmmm.... lets say.. visually unpleasant.


Thanks.

[Short Round]

Originally Posted by SuperCriollo

That's what is so appealing of the RS Type 97. The realism and the quality seems to be fantastic. However from the guns listed, the Type 97 is the only one that I havent held so I wouldn't know if I like it until I try it. The only problem is that to be honest the looks of the Type 97 doesn't really turn me on. The Type 97b looks nicer IMO, but stillnot as sexy as the Tavor, and the flash hider is just.. hmmm.... lets say.. visually unpleasant.


Thanks.

97s do have thread barrel so you can swap the flash hider out.

If the Tavor is your thing, don't worry about all the negative opinions about the gun. Sure it isn't made of the real steel material but then again, even some of the other top notch guns on the market aren't either.

[T@NK]

give me 2 weeks, I 'll post some pics of my 97 with real steel RIS, I only hope the chinese custom won't seize my RIS...

[Amos]

I'm happy my old baby is in such caring hands

[ElLangosto]

I recently bought a tavor, and it feels great. Altough the trigger can stop working on semi-auto sometimes, it's a really great gun.

BTW, the mag release isn't really a problem if you have small hands.

[SuperCriollo]

Alright guys, after six month I finally made up my mind LOL I got a sexy RS Type 97b. Thanks to everyone for all your usefull advices.

[krap101]

Originally Posted by Tempest VI

You screw out the old one from the back and slide in the new one. Getting to the entire mech box is a nightmare as you have to completely take apart the gun. Well hope this helps.

This is not... exactly the best way to get to the gearbox... you unscrew the 4 rearmost screws, then the gearbox will slide out.

Anyways, the G&G F2000 is definitely my favorite bullpup, but I've only handled a tm famas, an ares tavor, and my F2000.

[fi3re]

Originally Posted by Spike

I've used both a CA AUG and a TAR 21

The Tavor shot really well, however the ironsights on it are absolute shit, and the mag release is pretty much in the worst spot it could be. the way you hold the gun, the forarm on your trigger hand arm CONSTANTLY hits it, causing your mag to fall out. It was ungameably bad for me. Both games i brought it to, I traded guns with someone for the day, the response was always the same.

"Oh sweet, hell yeah we can trade" ....5 hours later "fuck this thing, I hate it".

Oh dear I was considering the tar21 as my next gun too Gun feels solid yet light and seemed like a perfect next aeg.

Is there any way to improve the release? perhaps a stiffer spring? Seems like a huge design flaw with the real steel as well o.o

[THe_Silencer]

Originally Posted by fi3re

Oh dear I was considering the tar21 as my next gun too Gun feels solid yet light and seemed like a perfect next aeg.

Is there any way to improve the release? perhaps a stiffer spring? Seems like a huge design flaw with the real steel as well o.o

Yes. You can and should install a stiffer spring. That way moderate breezes don't accidentally depress the release.

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by fi3re

Oh dear I was considering the tar21 as my next gun too Gun feels solid yet light and seemed like a perfect next aeg.

Is there any way to improve the release? perhaps a stiffer spring? Seems like a huge design flaw with the real steel as well o.o

Originally Posted by THe_Silencer

Yes. You can and should install a stiffer spring. That way moderate breezes don't accidentally depress the release.

You could also try cutting some of it off so it doesn't stick out so much. But I agree the spring is a better idea, you still have more release sticking out for easier mag changes.

[mas_oyama]

I'm not a huge fan of bullpups, even though I appreciate their benefits (long ass barren in a very short gun). For having tried one, I hate changing mags on those. I tried the L85 and I really didn't like the feel of it. I do like the looks of the AUG and P90 though, but again, I don't like changing mags on those, especially a P90.

I like Bullpups sniper rifles though. I don't know if they have some for airsoft... You don't have to change mags as quickly on a sniper, and it give you a LOOOOOOOONG barrel.