ATF seizes WE GBBR's in Washington

[The Mexinadian]

Originally Posted by BoB

With minimal work it could be used to fire live rounds?

I suppose if the bolt's were switched out and the lower receiver but you'd still have to change the barrel as well. Then you'd only have a pistol grip and butt stock. For that, you could buy a new AR.

[Green]

Is anyone else dying to hear how "minimal work" is defined by the ATF?

[Thenooblord]

id be inclined to say an excessively loud fart, considering the fact that its a government agency

[FlyGuy]

Originally Posted by mcguyver

The RCMP changed the classification of the Norinco Type 97 to prohibited after a team of techs and machine shop managed to make it full-auto. If they could spend thousands of dollars to make a GBBR fire 1 round even 1 time with an unmlimited assortment of parts (damage to gun or shooter is irrelevant), well, consider it prohibited (because we all know it's already illegal).

Since the ATF talking head wasn't forthcoming with any really useful information, perhaps the bullet that was allegedly fired successfully with only a 'minor modification' to the rifle was not a 5.56x45 at all? Perhaps their expert gunsmiths with unlimited resources somehow managed to replace enough parts (barrel, trigger pack, bolt & carrier, etc.) to get it to fire a .22LR at least once without breaking and that's apparently good enough for government work?

FWIW, the airsoft store owner should file a FOIA request immediately and seek a court injuction preventing the destruction of his shipment while its status is being contested. Failing that, at least take the ATF to court for damages should the FOIA request show the 'modifications' to be bogus or way beyond what's considered reasonable -- ie. having to replace everything but the pistol grip before it will chamber and fire a round.

So much for just enforcing the laws as is their ONLY mandate, now the civil-servants of the ATF instead of elected officials are making up new ones as they go along. Sound familiar anyone...?


'Fly

[Infidel]

Yes... in the right hands it could potentialy be turned into a Machine Gun. All you would have to do is replace every piece of the gun with a piece from a real gun... Infact it wouldnt be easy... it would well you know... you would build a gun from scratch.

~Grimm

[The Mexinadian]

Originally Posted by Grimm Reaper

Yes... in the right hands it could potentialy be turned into a Machine Gun. All you would have to do is replace every piece of the gun with a piece from a real gun... Infact it wouldnt be easy... it would well you know... you would build a gun from scratch.

~Grimm

In the right hands a rubber band can turn an AR full auto.

[Danke]

Originally Posted by m102404

Hey! He must be management.

I knew I'd seen that BATF dude before.

[Infidel]

Originally Posted by The Mexinadian

In the right hands a rubber band can turn an AR full auto.

Well ya.. just throw away the rubber band and edit the trigger mech.

~Grimm

[mills0]

... Wow.... did someone forget their brain at home? Dude needs a fucking life, really... your so awsome ATF you siezed a bunch of "wepons" having a slow day at the office? good job, keep pissing off law abiding citizens!

[L473ncy]

Originally Posted by The Mexinadian

In the right hands a rubber band can turn an AR full auto.

Are you talking about some sort of "bump firing" modification using a rubber band? Cause technically it doesn't make it full auto since you're pulling the trigger every time a bullet is fired. Or at least that's what I understand from the things I've read.

[zeshil]

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poor guy, he is put on the ATF watch list and anything he imports is seized for intensive testing basically making him go bankrupt

[Schlyder]

he just said they have another shipment being held right now also. $20,000. worth.

[zeshil]

pretty much

[Exhopek]

ROFL. ATF agent must have been a pencil pusher or something signs papers and doesn't even think. The owner should have explained better though. He had a tv interview, he should have said "why" its impossible to fire a real live round, he should have pointed out that real steel guns are steel and that WE m4 is pot metal/alu. Its his word against the ATF agent he should have given reasons and facts.

[-Trooper-]

Originally Posted by Exhopek

ROFL. ATF agent must have been a pencil pusher or something signs papers and doesn't even think. The owner should have explained better though. He had a tv interview, he should have said "why" its impossible to fire a real live round, he should have pointed out that real steel guns are steel and that WE m4 is pot metal/alu. Its his word against the ATF agent he should have given reasons and facts.

The guy did say that it can't fire a real round and that if you actually did mod the gun, it would blow up in your face if you tried to fire it.