Most Comfortable Rifle

[Steven]

Originally Posted by Danke

These guys are about coyote sized.

Uhh, how is that related at all?

[Danke]

Goes to caliber wars.

[Shirley]

This poll thread failed with the title then with the poll options.
lol...

[bangzilla]

most people havent had too much experience with all the guns on that lsit most likely.

but for me out of an m4, mp5, and g36, i like my mp5 and m4 the best, but the mp5 with solid stock wins just beacuse battery changes are 10x easier.

the g36 is way too much. (big and bulky)

[THe_Silencer]

Originally Posted by Ninja_En_Short

Well there's the "See that taliban you just shot in the guts? Now look how he stands up and start shooting back.".
And the "sad" part is : the talban in this story ain't even high. The 5.56 has a low stopping power, that's why i'd like a change to 6.5 or 6.8. I'm using my 417 90% of the time (and I love my sweet 7.62), the rest is on my 98B so .338 LM.
Obviously these too are for DMR and marksmen but a simple Grendel retrofit (6.5) wouldn't hurt.

Seems like you have plenty of real world combat experience shooting Taliban. I too feel your pain of having to shoot at a bad guy more than once due to the poor stopping power of the 5.56mm peashooter rounds. I never settle for anything less than my 6mm double polish!

[Scouser]

hrm for me it would be

mp5
g36
p90

the fn2000 i found kinda awkward, and i really dont like the feel of armalites or aks

[kylem_8]

Magpull ACR
Classic Army P90
G&G MP5

The FN2000 seemed very large and bulky when i held it.

[George Burdell]

double post

[George Burdell]

Originally Posted by Rai

How about this as a argument,

See that coyote that you just shot with a .223 non FMJ?

Notice how it just spun in a circle and ran away?

The biggest problem with the 5.56 is that it's FMJ if it was hollow point or jacketed soft point it would be so much better.

Hollow point 5.56mm rounds exist, but they would violate the Hague convention for military use.

M14 7.62x54

the M14 is 7.62x51.

[Danke]

There's some dudes you could ask out in compound on the other side of the world and see with they think of .556,,,oh wait you can't ask them anything anymore.

[mr_nuts31]

Hard to say for me since I'm a lefty, so I would have to say the scar-l and the tavor mainly since its ambidextrous. Strangely enough, aks work for me too as a lefty

[hattrick]

Glock 17 with zahal stock..... It's kinda a short barrel rifle

Got to play with one in the mother land!

Wants to go back - alex

[Rai]

Originally Posted by George Burdell

Hollow point 5.56mm rounds exist, but they would violate the Hague convention for military use.


the M14 is 7.62x51.

Not the point. FMJ round in 556 are unimpressive they have high velocity which any hunter can tell you is terrible for killing game. Since the bullet goes so fast it doesn't cause the trauma a slower round does.

Also I was probably thinking about the mosin nagant that fires the x54.

[Redzephyr]

Mosin, SVD, PK... etcetera.

[George Burdell]

Originally Posted by Rai

Not the point. FMJ round in 556 are unimpressive they have high velocity which any hunter can tell you is terrible for killing game. Since the bullet goes so fast it doesn't cause the trauma a slower round does

There is A LOT you don't understand about external ballistics; first of all higher velocity rounds do not go straight through the target, they tumble, causing more trauma, and higher velocities result in more tumbling. The standard US military loading produces cavities of about 6" in diameter and the bullets fragment, which causes a lot of trauma. The 6.8mm and 6.5mm rounds have a larger permanent cavity, but that is at the cost of controllability and ammunition capacity, and the need for better stopping power is really less important than people think it is, also shown in the last document I provided.

For an improvement to weapons, I think the military should investigate duplex rounds again or an-94 (2 round burst) types weapons, because those systems improve a soldier's hit rate.

ballistics source: http://www.brassfetcher.com/US%20M19...%20gelatin.pdf