Ares ms338 & ares ms700!

SuperHog · January 21st, 2013, 14:32

Automobile engines and transmissions use A300 series castings (alum/silicon/magnesium).

I highly doubt the airsoft industry use this level of casting.

Arktic · January 23rd, 2013, 13:24

Another update from inside the trigger box.

I dremeled away the 45 degree sear and madea 90degree sear instead with a slight backward angle. I did the same to the piston. Both now have 90 degree surfaces and there is no slam firing now.

I sent off all three pieces of the trigger box to get CNC'd from stainless steel. The stock parts are actually very thick and dense. Im sure they will withstand very stiff spring no problem. But having steel parts will be much better in the long run.

Hectic · January 23rd, 2013, 14:24

Any luck test fitting the cylender from the vsr yet?

Arktic · January 23rd, 2013, 14:36

Not yet, Im on leave at the moment so wont be back at work until Friday. Ill grab a cylinder then and test on the weekend.

SuperHog · January 23rd, 2013, 21:43

Thanks for all the trigger component pics.

Wow....All I can say is 100% proprietary trigger system.

Arktic · February 13th, 2013, 13:56

Very small update for now. Im still waiting for my trigger sears to come back from the CNC shop. Should have them by Friday.

I received my upgrade parts from WGC Shop yesterday.
http://www.wgcshop.com/wgc2008/main/...ACTION-PT-PN01

http://www.wgcshop.com/wgc2008/main/...LAY-PT-PSS10CH

http://www.wgcshop.com/WGC_Shop/imag...ss10sg_low.jpg

Firstly the piston only just fits inside the ARES cylinder. Very very tight and doesn't move freely. Same as the JG Bar 10 I've been using in the interim.

Secondly the Laylax cylinder head doesnt fit either. Its slightly to wide. It only screws in about 2 threads then gets stuck.

I then transferred all the new parts to a JG Bar 10 cylinder and every thing fits perfectly. The Bar10 cylinder also fits perfectly into the upper receiver. I then changed over the bolt handle from the ares to the bar 10 cylinder. Works great.

So in short. The ARES cylinder is UTTER GARBAGE!! Throw it out as soon as you buy the rifle. Actually throw the whole assembly away excluding the bolt handle. The piston, spring guide, cylinder head and cylinder are junk. Replace them with upgrade parts.

solidgear34 · February 14th, 2013, 10:42

very interesting indeed.....

Madsvg · February 19th, 2013, 09:36

I've been waiting for a decent review, and Arktic, you truly deliver here ^^

Does anyone have any news about the CO2 or Gas systems that Ares have been talking about?

Arktic · February 19th, 2013, 10:27

Thanks a lot. Nope no news yet.

I got my Steel sear and trigger arm(?) but after two shots the locking pin snapped in half from the M145 spring.....

So now waiting for that to come back from CNC as well....

SuperHog · February 20th, 2013, 09:27

It is a good thing you are able to tinker with it and also make up parts to keep it shooting.

I feel bad for other customers that buy it and end up making it a wall hanger once it breaks.

Arktic · February 20th, 2013, 09:54

Yeah I also feel bad for them. But I am determined to get this thing to work properly!

wilekcmc · February 24th, 2013, 06:34

Arktic I have been following your review on the MS700 and like what you have done.

I picked up the MS338 and I really don't see any difference in the two except for the body. Replaced the internals with upgrades. Here is a pic of the stock internals (same as the 700) next to the upgrade parts I picked up.

Arktic · February 24th, 2013, 12:36

Very nice! Let me know how the trigger box holds up. What spring is that you have?

I recently had my trigger parts CNC'd from steel and its made a big difference.

wilekcmc · February 24th, 2013, 22:08

Well after two mags the thing started to slam fire on me, you wont happened to had any extra sears made would you?

The spring was to be a 1J but the gun is shooting 1.71J, will need to find a 1J spring do to Japanese law.

Arktic · February 25th, 2013, 01:27

Ah wow that was quick. I only had one set made unfortunately. Replace the piston with a metal 45 degree piston and see if that helps.

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February 14th, 2013, 10:42	#82
solidgear34 Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: guelph, ontario	very interesting indeed..... __________________ What Doesn't Kill You Will Be Pumped Full Of Bullets

January 21st, 2013, 14:32	#76
SuperHog Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Toronto, Ontario	Automobile engines and transmissions use A300 series castings (alum/silicon/magnesium). I highly doubt the airsoft industry use this level of casting.

January 23rd, 2013, 13:24	#77
Arktic Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Cape Town, South Africa	Another update from inside the trigger box. I dremeled away the 45 degree sear and madea 90degree sear instead with a slight backward angle. I did the same to the piston. Both now have 90 degree surfaces and there is no slam firing now. I sent off all three pieces of the trigger box to get CNC'd from stainless steel. The stock parts are actually very thick and dense. Im sure they will withstand very stiff spring no problem. But having steel parts will be much better in the long run.

January 23rd, 2013, 14:36	#79
Arktic Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Cape Town, South Africa	Not yet, Im on leave at the moment so wont be back at work until Friday. Ill grab a cylinder then and test on the weekend.

January 23rd, 2013, 21:43	#80
SuperHog Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Toronto, Ontario	Thanks for all the trigger component pics. Wow....All I can say is 100% proprietary trigger system.

February 13th, 2013, 13:56	#81
Arktic Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Cape Town, South Africa	Very small update for now. Im still waiting for my trigger sears to come back from the CNC shop. Should have them by Friday. I received my upgrade parts from WGC Shop yesterday. http://www.wgcshop.com/wgc2008/main/...ACTION-PT-PN01 http://www.wgcshop.com/wgc2008/main/...LAY-PT-PSS10CH http://www.wgcshop.com/WGC_Shop/imag...ss10sg_low.jpg Firstly the piston only just fits inside the ARES cylinder. Very very tight and doesn't move freely. Same as the JG Bar 10 I've been using in the interim. Secondly the Laylax cylinder head doesnt fit either. Its slightly to wide. It only screws in about 2 threads then gets stuck. I then transferred all the new parts to a JG Bar 10 cylinder and every thing fits perfectly. The Bar10 cylinder also fits perfectly into the upper receiver. I then changed over the bolt handle from the ares to the bar 10 cylinder. Works great. So in short. The ARES cylinder is UTTER GARBAGE!! Throw it out as soon as you buy the rifle. Actually throw the whole assembly away excluding the bolt handle. The piston, spring guide, cylinder head and cylinder are junk. Replace them with upgrade parts.

February 19th, 2013, 09:36	#83
Madsvg Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Norway	I've been waiting for a decent review, and Arktic, you truly deliver here ^^ Does anyone have any news about the CO2 or Gas systems that Ares have been talking about?

February 19th, 2013, 10:27	#84
Arktic Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Cape Town, South Africa	Thanks a lot. Nope no news yet. I got my Steel sear and trigger arm(?) but after two shots the locking pin snapped in half from the M145 spring..... So now waiting for that to come back from CNC as well....

February 20th, 2013, 09:27	#85
SuperHog Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Toronto, Ontario	It is a good thing you are able to tinker with it and also make up parts to keep it shooting. I feel bad for other customers that buy it and end up making it a wall hanger once it breaks.

February 20th, 2013, 09:54	#86
Arktic Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Cape Town, South Africa	Yeah I also feel bad for them. But I am determined to get this thing to work properly!

February 24th, 2013, 12:36	#88
Arktic Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Cape Town, South Africa	Very nice! Let me know how the trigger box holds up. What spring is that you have? I recently had my trigger parts CNC'd from steel and its made a big difference.

February 24th, 2013, 22:08	#89
wilekcmc Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Northern Japan	Well after two mags the thing started to slam fire on me, you wont happened to had any extra sears made would you? The spring was to be a 1J but the gun is shooting 1.71J, will need to find a 1J spring do to Japanese law.

February 25th, 2013, 01:27	#90
Arktic Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Cape Town, South Africa	Ah wow that was quick. I only had one set made unfortunately. Replace the piston with a metal 45 degree piston and see if that helps.

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