What will be the next big Airsoft innovation?

[beta678]

Originally Posted by L473ncy

Who's made a commercial brushless motor for airsoft guns? I know that you can do it for something like a P90 since it has the room for an ESC curcuit but if there's one for an M4 that's relatively easy to install I'd buy that right now.

I remember reading something about a brushless AEG motors sometime last year... I think its the novatech one, but I don't know if its commercially available or if it ended up as vaporware.

[ThunderCactus]

novatech
http://www.airsoft2day.com/news/1297...ess-motor.html

designed in japan, for japanese players, not sure if it will produce the torque required for a 400fps limit without using triple torque gears.

[grantmac]

I've often thought that a brushless outrunnner with the correct winding could completely replace the mechbox. Just mount the sector gear directly to it.
Probably need a hefty controller though.

-Grant

[DipTwit]

Brushless motors in RC tend to be huge if you want them to have enough torque, instead of speed. I would presume you couldn't get around that in something that would fit *inside* a gearbox the way you're describing. You never know though, even if it reduced the need down to a single gear connection, it would still be better / quieter / less complex than what we have now.

Still, since our guns are already several pounds, we don't really need the electrical efficiency gains from going brushless the way RC aircraft do (they need smaller / lighter batteries). And as for reliability, as far as I know, lots and lots of other things typically break down in a gun long before the brushes wear out.

[siggypoo]

Originally Posted by DipTwit

Brushless motors in RC tend to be huge if you want them to have enough torque, instead of speed.

That's not been my experience. Sure, I notice you said "tend to". My limited experience has been that there seems to be a lot of smaller brushless RC motors that can do very well. I've bought a lot of GWS parts for my RC designs. They're cheap, but pretty decent quality, and customer service.
The hobby shop down the street has some different brands and sizes that I've wondered a few times might work.



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[DipTwit]

Hmmm well for low-speed you need a low KV rating, typically I see RC motors for planes stay about 1000KV unless you go into larger sizes, where you can find 200-500KV but I'm thinking even those turn pretty fast compared to your typical sector gear (and would require pretty high amps) but I admit have never tried mocking something up.

I totally agree though, would love to see one of those change-everything breakthroughs come about in the gearbox; right now we spend too much time fussing over the innards of an AEG. I went to PTWs because, although based on the same ideas, they're less hassle to work on. Maybe a low-KV motor on a single worm gear in the buffer tube kinda thing... I dunno.

We could probably do just as well if someone built an HPA tank the size and shape of a gun stock. HPA is pretty reliable with a good working regulator, I just don't like the tank and line being external.

[Azathoth]

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

Wonder how inefficient it would be to use a big ass solenoid to replace the piston body and gear train?
solenoid with a piston head.
No return spring on it for maximum speed in both directions.

Problem with the IR glow BBs isn't getting them to glow only in IR, it's the toxicity of the materials that do it.

We have effectively exported the pollution problem to another part of the world. Remember, The solution to pollution is dilution. Direct Quote from Alberta Agriculture research scientist as she was pouring a vial of lifecide down the sink.

Frank, everyone here is a PVS14 OMNI VII douche nugget anyways don't need a huge amount of material to make it glow. Could even be visible but so dim not visibile to eye.

The limiting factor to the solenoid idea in the past has been power. NICD, NIMH batteries don't cut it, its certainly possible now.

[Danke]

Who cares if tracer BBs are visible?

People freak out when one letter in microscopic text is reversed or something isn't just like the real gun.

Then they don't want muzzle signature, tracers leading back to where they're camping, or any noise out of their AEG.

If folks are that worried about return fire why not carry a riot shield? That's not lame.

[DipTwit]

Originally Posted by Danke

they don't want muzzle signature, tracers leading back to where they're camping, or any noise out of their AEG.

^^^ This.

We used to play outside in the dark, and we had a rule that, in order to pull your trigger, your flashlight *had* to be on. People did it quick to avoid being seen, but you still made a fake 'muzzle flash' so the enemy stood a chance at firing back. It actually made the game better in my opinion..

[ThunderCactus]

Even with lasers, or mounting a pvs-14 behind a scope, you're still can't see where your BBs are landing.
Everyone can see visible glow BBs and flashlights, and everyone else with NVD can see IR (only a problem in alberta and ontario it seems)
After having spent $3000+ on night vision specifically so you can operate stealthily in the dark, it's pretty counter-productive to now use readily visible ammo lol

[Danke]

Why not just have everyone bring out their last bank statement and the guy with the most dough wins? Because that's what the logical conclusion to a "I spent 7K on this special thing" discussion will be.

If folks think riot shields are "lame", why not bring out your dad? Feed him steriods for a few weeks and if anyone shoots back just unleash him. Extra points if he screams "I'm a Medic".

Even if you're more Navy SEAL than Charlie Sheen when you shoot at someone with a weapon suppressed or not there is a signature.

Or ,maybe freeze tag if you're not willing to trade BBs.

[ThunderCactus]

Its the guys with all the toys fighting the other rich kids with all the toys. This isnt like having gen3 nvd and a ptw in manitoba lol
Everyone else is rich so you gotta spend the money to keep up and share in that experience

[Cliffradical]

I dunno. One time I played a night game on a team with no NVGs when the other team had them.
We shut the fuck up, didn't use lights (unless pushing bush), layed the fuck down, and stayed the fuck still. We did pretty good.

I always pictured myself doing a roughly 4:1 mix of regular bbs to illuminated if I got a tracer unit, just so it would look kind of like tracers, and thereby cool.

[Danke]

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

Its the guys with all the toys fighting the other rich kids with all the toys. This isnt like having gen3 nvd and a ptw in manitoba lol
Everyone else is rich so you gotta spend the money to keep up and share in that experience

Well if they're all NVG'd up then they'll see them too. Right? Am I right?

With regular tracer if you go into a lit area or get washed with white light and flip up the goggles then you're still good.

Originally Posted by Cliffradical

I always pictured myself doing a roughly 4:1 mix of regular bbs to illuminated if I got a tracer unit, just so it would look kind of like tracers, and thereby cool.

That's the way. Assembly line load the mags. If they're AEG that don't feed the last then just put in 4 white. Then 3 green, then white white white orange till half full and then another green or two then white white orange again etc. till then end.

KWA MP7 with a tracer unit at night is a lot of fun.

[ThunderCactus]

Because tracers instead of lasers lol