WA.Para Ordnance P14.45 vs. WA.SCW Ver2 Para Ordanance P14.45 Limited

[Gameman]

what really is the true differents among the two Para's. I could find alot of infos on the original Para P14.45 but can't seem to find much things for the Limited edition of that Para P14.

Other than i know it uses the SCW verion2 Blowback system and is more heavy weighted what other things make them diffrence. And what really does the SCW verion2 Blowback system do compared to the old version systems???
- I also want to know are they the same in Power(FPS)??

which one is stronger..?? i'm about to get the Limited edition Para P14.45 but when i seauch about its power i'm getting infos of 240fps-340fps, how is every sites specifications of the thing different.. so is the power a low-end 250fps or is it up at 300fps? i'm really confused about its Power. I heard the normal Para Ord. P14.45 is gardicary as a powerful pistol but then again is the Limited verion less powerful??

Guys thx for your help and for reading my wall of post dispelting my English.
and btw. i'm talking the Westen Arms pistols.. :smack:

[MadMax]

I have noted a manufacturing issue with the Magna Para's. 2 out of 2 Magna Para's I've seen have had a defective spring guide. The rear flange on the spring guide eventually develops a fatigue crack so the guide fails to seat in the frame properly.

Now I do have a habit of attracting problem GBBs. I'd say a disproportionate number of malfunctioning guns seem to be brought to me. However, seeing the exact same issue twice makes me suspect a design/manufacturing issue.

I do not know if the issue extends to the SCW build. The SCW build is a later build. WA may have addressed the issue.

[Gameman]

thx for the reply Madmax,

are you sure that the Para's really had some thing wrong going with it 2/2 times...i've heard that Westen Arms developes the best quality products, or did i got my infos wrong.

Plus, i'm really intrested about the power of the
-WA SCW ver2. Para Ordanance P14.45 Limited...

At first i was really hoping to get the WA Infinity Expert 6" for the power, but sadly it was out of stock so i've chosen the WA Para Ord. P14 Limited as 2nd. Is it a very low power pistol when compared to the Infinity Expert 6"???
And is it wrong to chose the Para P14.45 Limited over the original Para P14.45 if i'm going for a powerful and good blowback connon?

[Gameman]

can some one plz help me and give me some feed-back and comments.. :???:

[Lakonian]

Originally Posted by Gameman

can some one plz help me and give me some feed-back and comments.. :???:

hey bud. i can definately help you. Although, you may want to look into the "svi" series. Para ord's build is really plasticy and feels a tad unrealistic.
Anyway... Most para ord's are rated at 260fps with magna-R. however SCW2 versions can hit up to 310 (indoors). I hope that helped, and if it didn't! www.justpistols.uk (my bible)

[Gameman]

anybody???

[BloodSport]

Give it some time, not everyone on these forums are here all the time, you've bumped this thread 3 times now in under 1 day.

[bundun]

if you want a "powerful and good blowback connon" then you're worrying too much about your initial purchase. all gbb's have pretty much the same power in stock form, especially from the same company. if you're going for fps as your primary goal, then you're going to have to upgrade it anyway. first and foremost upgrading the WA guns to properly accept propane over the long term, then to produce more fps. also, as mad max said the scw is a later build which is generally a good indicator that they would have fixed some (all?) of the issues present in the earlier models.

anyway, the bottom line is if you're going to upgrade it a bunch to get your "powerful and good blowback connon" then get which ever pistol you like the looks of better.

[Maelstrom]

If I remember correctly the main difference between the SCW and SCW2 is the pin/sear that the hammer strikes to push the mag's valve is slightly different. I personally own a Para Ord HRT SCW with a metal slide and it fires about 320-340 on propane. Modifications will be required to withstand propane without destroying the gun. I went with a metal slide. There is the Airsoft Innovation's flow restrictor, but I haven't tried it.

[Gameman]

thx a bunch Mad, bundun, and Maelstrom :cheers:

Yes, i'm really trying to go for the powerful feel of blowback and FPS..i might try to order a metal slide for my WA gun next week but As I know all SCW version from WA has upgraded a 6.04 barrel in already, so other than that what other upgrades will i really need??

And is the metal slide the only upgrade i had to worry about to properly accept propane?? The sales told me i could use Green Gas, and i thought Green Gas = Propane, or was i fully wrong about that>>?

can i upgrade it to go up to as hight as 400fps??

I've seen the Airsoft Innovation site, with its change..what differents is it to upgrade the other things else where and use the others Propane?? I'm very comfuessed...are there so much types of Propanes..
i really thought Green Gas = Propanes = Top Gas = CO2
arrn't they all the same????

HOW CAN I CREAT THE MOST POWERFUL PISTOL WITH SOME SIMPLE NOTE.
i english is really not that good, and i'm kind'f confussed now. :smack:

[Grim Fandango]

Originally Posted by Gameman

i really thought Green Gas = Propanes = Top Gas = CO2
arrn't they all the same????

HOW CAN I CREAT THE MOST POWERFUL PISTOL WITH SOME SIMPLE NOTE.
i english is really not that good, and i'm kind'f confussed now. :smack:

No Green Gas is Propane. By the logic above propane is C02...

There are some GBBs that run on C02, those are the most powerful. But don't plan on going to any games with it, we have FPS rules for a reason.

[Gameman]

so is my WA SCW ver2. Para Ordanance P14.45 Limited... green gas ready, from some seach thought the web i knew GBBs had to be modified to handle green gas such as in stock form of the (WA, TM the imports that are with plistic slides) are not propane ready. But dose it also means its not green gas ready?? because i think i've read green gas are still as strong as propane(CO2).

the sales had also told me that the
WA SCW ver2. Para Ordanance P14.45 Limited has a (liquid) metal slide. I knew its a full matel edition but i guess it was only liquid metal but still its not plistic so is it green gas ready out of the box as stock????

[MadMax]

As a first gun it's not a great idea to aspire to a particularly modified one.

Heavily upgraded GBBs are typically comprised of parts from several manufacturers each with their own interpretation of how to make your GBB work. Because none of these aftermarket parts manufacturers will be actively cooperating with each other (or more importantly the manufacturer of your base model) you may end up with a powerful, but not very reliable GBB. Many frankenguns also end up less accurate than their stock counterparts. Until aftermarket parts manufacturers actually sit down and learn how to play together, they will not make parts that fit as well as the stock parts which were all designed in the same house.

Nothing frustrates a gun doc more than a frankengun not of his own creation. Your doc ends up blowing a lot of time figuring out how single or compound failures are occuring.

At the risk of more typical power, choose reliability for your first GBB. Learn it's quirks and mode of operation then gradually upgrade it yourself. Besides, most pistols with minimal upgrades and propane are quite powerful enough for game play.

Try to pick a common GBB as a first as you will have access to repair help from more owners and a larger base of experience for them to help you from. Much better access to spare parts too.

The Para Ord comes with a metal particle filled slide. The particles add density for a heavy aesthetic. Metal particles do not add strength. They actually degrade crack toughness. I note that lightweight WA slides typically outlive HW slides.

It appears to me that the TM Hicapa is propane ready despite it's plastic slide. Has anyone broken a slide yet? It's also shown to be one of the most reliable builds out there.

[Gameman]

thx for the heads up :razz: Mad
can some one also clear me up on my last post atop Mad??

[MadMax]

Maybe you're looking for this:

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http://www.airsoft-innovations.com/?...wrestrictorfaq
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