upgrade help

[beert]

i want to make my stock (some would call "cheapsoft" guns) into formidable forces on the field and have no idea where to start so
what upgrades do i need for the following guns?

Echo 1 g36c converted to an sl8

TF7 MP7 (i want to get it to around 350 fps)

WELL MB04 G-22 AWM

thanks in advance for ur help

[Schlyder]

You live in the States... Save up some money and buy some better quality guns. Don't waste your money/time trying to upgrade "cheapsoft" guns. You will only regret it in the long run.
The only way to turn them into formidable forces on the field would be to burn them, the toxic plastic fumes should send em running.

[Crunchmeister]

There's nothing wrong with that E1 G36 that prevents it from being a good gun. If internally it works well and gives a decent velocity, then that's all you need. For accuracy and range, install a tightbore barrel and new hopup rubber and bucking (like Guarder) and you're good to go.

As for the other guns, there's not much you can do to make them "formidable" that wouldn't cost more than buying a quality, brand name version of the same guns.

[kalnaren]

Seriously, you live in the US.. just buy a CA or Star SL8. The cost of the conversion kit won't make it work upgrading.

[Crunchmeister]

Ummm... it's already been upgraded to an SL8...

[kalnaren]

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister

Ummm... it's already been upgraded to an SL8...

Right, misinterpreted. I thought he meant he wanted to convert it.

[TokyoSeven]

Originally Posted by beert

TF7 MP7 (i want to get it to around 350 fps)

That could prove to be a very difficult and expensive feat.

Essentially you will have to replace almost 100% of all the internals, your best bet is to look into a Brand called "Nine Ball" they are an offshoot from Laylax. If you can source a location to purchase the parts then your good to go. Another factor you will have to consider is power supply, you will require a bit more power than what the standard AEP battery provides, you will most likely have to convert to an external battery set up with an AN/PEQ or some other form of external battery housing.

Even after all that, I still believe 350 feet per second is a huge stretch for an AEP mechbox, dont get me wrong. Im sure it has been done before, but how long did it last and how reliable was it? Personally I would aim for about 300-310FPS.

Good luck.

[beert]

ty guys i knew getting the mp7 to 350 would be a strech but "shoot for the stars" you know

as for buying a CA i my logic was to buy a "cheapsoft" and upgrade it to the worthyness of a CA and would end up as like $300 ($150 for gun $150 for upgrade)rather than $450 ($300 for gun and $150 for upgrades) granted the converson cost $178 but the system isnt perfect

not everyone agrees w/ my strategey but it works

[TriChrome]

Originally Posted by TokyoSeven

Essentially you will have to replace almost 100% of all the internals, your best bet is to look into a Brand called "Nine Ball" they are an offshoot from Laylax

The Nine ball AEP upgrade springs only gave me 240 FPS with .2's (up from the stock 200 or so FPS). there's really not enough aftermarket support to make the AEP's even close to your 350 FPS goal.


For your Echo 1 G36/SL8, it probably already shoots 350+ FPS so like runchmeister mentioned, upgrade the other parts (barrel/hop-up/bucking) for accuracy. If you're looking to up the RPS, a new motor and battery would do wonders (especially if you're still using the crappy battery the Echo 1 came with).

[TokyoSeven]

A TM MP7 with a full conversion to Laylax internals should push about 300-310, a decent increase from the stock 250-260ish FPS. Expect to look into the area of $150-$200 or maybe a tiny bit more if you need to factor in shipping from multiple retailers. This ball park doesnt include factoring in the possible cost of the external battery set up.

Clone MP7s have very varying degrees of FPS depending on quality of parts and QC, there could be multiple airleaks or the silly thing could just really be that crappy, after all in most cases a person does get wha they pay for. Clone MP7's have been known to range between 150FPS all the way to 250FPS.

[cranium_bear]

the package my tf7 came in said it's fps was 300. is that inacurate?

[TokyoSeven]

It maybe, it may not be. Is there any information given on what weight of BB was used to chrono the FPS? It would be safe to presume that they are boasting 300fps because chronoing was most likley done with a 0.12g bb and not that of a 0.2g. I find it hard to believe a stock factory AEP could push 300fps with a 0.2g bb.

[cranium_bear]

ahh I see what yah mean.I don't have the package anymore, but it seems that all the reissued tactical force ones at the gun range claim to have revised or improved mech boxes and now have a greater fps.

I might take it to a paint ball field and test the fps.