Can't decide which gun - advice appreciated

[moz_boz]

And if you really want an AK product, there are some very nice ones available from the various Airsoft manufacturers.

If you are really serious about playing airsoft, it is going to become a full-time hobby with all the costs that entails. And not a hobby that Canadian Tire can help you with.

I am not sure how this will affect things, but the BB's they sell for the Crossman stuff is 0.18g if I am remember correctly. Most people have told me that you want at least .25g or .28g, especially if you want it to get through foliage and such. I don't think the Crossman will take the heavier ammo.

But at the end of the day it is your money, and we can only offer our opinion. And it is my humble opinion that you are not going to save any money in the long run by buying the Crossman R76 you are looking at. It will only give you migraine sized headaches.

Originally Posted by Omnivorous

Ahh, that's what I was wondering though. If both guns pack the same punch then I'd probably be willing to sacrifice aesthetics and put up with the nuisance of some minor repairs once in a while to save $250. I shall see though...

I don't think they pack the same punch, and in airsoft, aesthetics is the difference between being taken seriously and being laughed at

[venture]

Originally Posted by MartyK2500

man i am reading gun descriptions on the crossman website
http://www.crosman.com/airsoft/rifles/SAPR71
''Muzzle velocities of up to 200 fps make it ideal for back yard skirmishes''
wow that's a good idea

He is looking at an R76 not R71.

Regardless, that thing is a waste of $150. 375fps with .12g bbs is the same as 290fps with .2g bbs. Not that powerful and with the plastic gearbox you don't dare upgrade it.

You need to get av'd and you will see that $75 more gets you 4 x the value.

You asked for advice, you are getting it, but it sounds like your mind is made up. It is your money spend it on what you like.

[pusangani]

That crosman is not airsoft, it is soft air and is utter shite.

[MartyK2500]

i was not making a reference to the gun!
i was making reference as to making backyard skirmishes,what a good idea to give kids

[venture]

Originally Posted by MartyK2500

i was not making a reference to the gun!
i was making reference as to making backyard skirmishes,what a good idea to give kids

Whoops, my bad. I re-read your post. Yeah, I see your reference now.

[Omnivorous]

Originally Posted by venture

He is looking at an R76 not R71.

Regardless, that thing is a waste of $150. 375fps with .12g bbs is the same as 290fps with .2g bbs. Not that powerful and with the plastic gearbox you don't dare upgrade it.

You need to get av'd and you will see that $75 more gets you 4 x the value.

You asked for advice, you are getting it, but it sounds like your mind is made up. It is your money spend it on what you like.

Naw, my mind isn't made up and the advice is helping tonnes. I was just looking at an HK --> http://torontoairsoft.com/product.php?id_product=137 <--

I just emailed a guy about getting av'd but I'm from Hamilton so it seems I'll have to do some traveling to find someone.

As a rule of thumb, does the initial listed FPS accord with .12g BB's? Do you lose about 85 FPS when you use .2's? I wouldn't dream of using anything but .2's or higher since I've seen the .12's sail off into the wind.

[moz_boz]

If you are looking for a HK 416, talk to these guys and see when they will get more in.

https://www.buyairsoft.ca/rifles/ele...ull-black.html

It is not CanSoft, so it comes all black

[Crunchmeister]

Originally Posted by moz_boz

If you are looking for a HK 416, talk to these guys and see when they will get more in.

https://www.buyairsoft.ca/rifles/ele...ull-black.html

It is not CanSoft, so it comes all black

1. that's not an HK416
2. That's the "Rec" version. Garbage gun. Black, yes, but the rest is junk.
3. sending someone to buyairsoft.ca is like sending someone to a Thai street hooker in Bangkok and suggesting to not use protection.

[Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw]

Originally Posted by chaosnemesis

Besides, i hear that it gives you syphilis.



....oh wait that's Cansoft halfbreeds, Crossman gives you herpes.

And yeah, if you want a good AEG then spend a little more money on the base gun as you will quickly find out why we tell you this if you go the cheap route. We tell everyone this and it turns out one of two ways:

1) They buy the better brand, parts fit better, gun performs better for longer without needing to replace parts or upgraded parts, person is happy, person thanks us.

or

2) They buy a cheaper brand because they didn't want to spend an extra $50-$200 off the bat, some parts might fit some wont and when you NEED that part for a game coming up it never fits due to shitty tolerance issues with clones, gun performs alright for someone who doesn't know better but ends up shitting the bed shortly and more issues come up regarding fitting of parts, lament and buyers remorse begins to set in, person makes thread after thread asking how to fix this or why that doesn't work, eventually person realizes they made a mistake and should have listened to us and buy a better gun off the bat, feelings of discontent and shame take over the person and throw themselves off a building screaming "I SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO THOSE GUYS ON ASC A LITTLE MORE. MY LIFE WOULD HAVE BEEN SO MUCH BETTER HAD I TAKEN THEIR SAGE ADVICE INSTEAD OF BEING A CHEAP FUCK. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!?! WHY DIDN'T I GET A G&P OR TM?!?!?! DAMN YOU CHEAP CHINA CLONES! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!!!! *splat*

Ok that last part may or may not be true but the point still stands.

[R1ghty]

Originally Posted by Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw

And yeah, if you want a good AEG then spend a little more money on the base gun as you will quickly find out why we tell you this if you go the cheap route. We tell everyone this and it turns out one of two ways:

1) They buy the better brand, parts fit better, gun performs better for longer without needing to replace parts or upgraded parts, person is happy, person thanks us.

or

2) They buy a cheaper brand because they didn't want to spend an extra $50-$200 off the bat, some parts might fit some wont and when you NEED that part for a game coming up it never fits due to shitty tolerance issues with clones, gun performs alright for someone who doesn't know better but ends up shitting the bed shortly and more issues come up regarding fitting of parts, lament and buyers remorse begins to set in, person makes thread after thread asking how to fix this or why that doesn't work, eventually person realizes they made a mistake and should have listened to us and buy a better gun off the bat, feelings of discontent and shame take over the person and throw themselves off a building screaming "I SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO THOSE GUYS ON ASC A LITTLE MORE. MY LIFE WOULD HAVE BEEN SO MUCH BETTER HAD I TAKEN THEIR SAGE ADVICE INSTEAD OF BEING A CHEAP FUCK. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!?! WHY DIDN'T I GET A G&P OR TM?!?!?! DAMN YOU CHEAP CHINA CLONES! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!!!! *splat*

Ok that last part may or may not be true but the point still stands.

May or may not.... lol'd

And btw, it's "your trust is in whisky" ;d

[Strelok]

To put it simple.

Just because its less expensive, and has 'numbers' that match up to what sold for twice as much doesn't mean you're saving much of anything by going the cheaper route.

In fact, as many times as it has been mentioned before you'll end up dropping a lot more money into 'fixing it up' than you would spend just buying a Good AEG and leaving it as is.

I've made this mistake a few times and there isn't really any way to get around it when you cheap out.
If you wait, save and research, you won't regret it. Guns aren't going anywhere and its not going to kill you to wait a couple months or weeks to save up for a gun you want.