TM Ops Tactical .45 Repair

[ILLusion]

Agreed. From 10 feet, I can shoot in the same hole consistently. I can't imagine a 6" deviation at 20 feet if I have good practice with trigger pull.

[airplaneman]

Originally Posted by Gato

This:

Yeah, I just figured it out lol. I feel like a tool now.. :/ I didn't even notice I typed that. I try to say mag, I swear!.


I guess I'm not as good a shot as I thought I was. Ah well.

[ILLusion]

The only other hardware issue that I can think that would cause such poor grouping (assuming you're are a crack shot), is to check for wobble between all interfaces from the inner barrel to the sights.

These interfaces would be:

1. Sights mounted to slide
2. Slide to outer barrel
3. Outer barrel to inner barrel.

If there's excessive wobble between these three interfaces, then this could create a fluctuating deviation from point-of-aim point-of-impact. But again, the only way to get a 12" grouping at just 20 feet, your gun would have to be EXTREMELY wobbly and the entire assembly would have to wobble around like a maraca... and probably wouldn't hold itself together very well.

Out of the box, a brand new Tokyo Marui has great fitment. WE's come metal out of the box, but are significantly much more wobbly than Tokyo Marui is, but even with a WE, I can get a sub 5" grouping at 20 feet.

[TaroBear]

5 inches is about a hand apart from where you wanted it go to. If there's nothing wrong with your gun, consider carrying a training knife in your holster instead of a pistol to your next game.

[airplaneman]

Originally Posted by ILLusion

The only other hardware issue that I can think that would cause such poor grouping (assuming you're are a crack shot), is to check for wobble between all interfaces from the inner barrel to the sights.

These interfaces would be:

1. Sights mounted to slide
2. Slide to outer barrel
3. Outer barrel to inner barrel.

If there's excessive wobble between these three interfaces, then this could create a fluctuating deviation from point-of-aim point-of-impact. But again, the only way to get a 12" grouping at just 20 feet, your gun would have to be EXTREMELY wobbly and the entire assembly would have to wobble around like a maraca... and probably wouldn't hold itself together very well.

Out of the box, a brand new Tokyo Marui has great fitment. WE's come metal out of the box, but are significantly much more wobbly than Tokyo Marui is, but even with a WE, I can get a sub 5" grouping at 20 feet.

I'm not saying I'm a crack shot :P. I've been shooting for several years now, and at shooting ranges, my handgun accuracy is usually not bad. It's been a while since I've been to the range though, so I could be wrong. It just seemed to me like the BBs were deviating from target.

In terms of wobble, when I pull the slide back, I can move the outer and inner barrel about 1/8"-1/4" side to side. Is this normal? The sights are tight, and the slide itself doesn't move around very much (I assume the amount it does move is normal).

Originally Posted by TaroBear

5 inches is about a hand apart from where you wanted it go to. If there's nothing wrong with your gun, consider carrying a training knife in your holster instead of a pistol to your next game.

Hahaha

[RacingManiac]

Originally Posted by airplaneman

I'm not saying I'm a crack shot :P. I've been shooting for several years now, and at shooting ranges, my handgun accuracy is usually not bad. It's been a while since I've been to the range though, so I could be wrong. It just seemed to me like the BBs were deviating from target.

In terms of wobble, when I pull the slide back, I can move the outer and inner barrel about 1/8"-1/4" side to side. Is this normal? The sights are tight, and the slide itself doesn't move around very much (I assume the amount it does move is normal).

When the barrel and the slide are "unlocked"(pulled back), they will wobble, that is normal. Its important that the gun fits decently well, when it is in battery, with the slide forward and locked to the barrel. The gun when firing, will stay in that position until BB left the barrel, and only until then the slide will begin to cycle. If its a tight fit, it'll also mean that the next time it is forward, it goes back to relatively the same place. So it is consistent from shot to shot.

Like ILLusion said, a stock TM Hi-Capa, assuming its relatively new and not worn to bits. will be decently well fit, and capable of delivering more than acceptable accuracy at 20ft, probably better than most stock GBBs, TM or otherwise. Since it also has one of the longer barrel.