Type 97 Ergonomic

[Long_Bong]

Hi,

Saw a Type 97 CQB one today (by Real Sword), very impressive.

Now, I m righ handed and saw how the mage release is on the right side, far from reach

Anyone know the reasoning behind this ergonomic? Is it a design flaw or is there a purpose for such a clumsy reloading process? (Then, I start thinking about the P90...)

It the main factor preventing me from getting one of these

[cbcsteve]

Nope its not a design flaw, sadly thats how it was made which I assume which is the reason not many Real Steel owners (aside from the hardcore Chinese) would get one of these.

Although it may seem tedious to have the mag release button where it is, I would say it still is better than the P90.

I have owned a P90 and also tried the Type 97B, I would choose the Type 97B as I find the mag reloading is much easier than the P90. I remember when using the P90 and mag reloading was extremely tedious and really hard especially when the enemy is advancing against you.

The good thing about the P90 is its super light, I never got tired of carrying it around and during outdoor games I can easily run with it in one hand while jumping or climbing over things. The only problem is if you don't get a rubber stock pad it becomes quite uncomfortable to shoulder after awhile since I find you really have scrunch your shoulders and arms close to get a good aim down range.

[kullwarrior]

keep in mind for norinco (firearm) type 97 was basically a bastard child. Its the same thing as H&K G36 (firearm) using STANAG adapter. The magazine release is not in the original spot. If you youtube the speed reload of PLA using Type 95 (the original design) It makes more sense that using paddle release was a better ergonomic in that position.
Overall, the bullpup lost there, simply you cant remove mag with strong hand while retrieving for the other.

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by cbcsteve

Nope its not a design flaw, sadly thats how it was made which I assume which is the reason not many Real Steel owners (aside from the hardcore Chinese) would get one of these.

Wrong, a lot of people in Canada are trying to get these. (The 97, not the 97B)
I assume by 97 CQB you mean 97B.

[ShelledPants]

Originally Posted by Styrak

Wrong, a lot of people in Canada are trying to get these.

He's also talking about the Type97, not the Type97B. Different gun.

Type 97 and 97b have the exact same mag release, your point is moot.

[kullwarrior]

Originally Posted by Styrak

Wrong, a lot of people in Canada are trying to get these. (The 97, not the 97B)
I assume by 97 CQB you mean 97B.

97 is regular one chamber in 5.56X45 using STANAG Mag
95 is regular size chamber in 5.8mm using its own mag

[cbcsteve]

Originally Posted by Styrak

Wrong, a lot of people in Canada are trying to get these.

He's also talking about the Type97, not the Type97B. Different gun.

My Comment was about real steel users don't use this gun much for practical shooting

As for Airsoft users I am sure the demand for these are growing, but if there were a lot of people then the Want Ads would be full with them so I fail to see your point

And yes like Shelled said, the Type 97 and Type 97B are the same mag release, you got to wield and use that gun before making a comment my friend

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by cbcsteve

And yes like Shelled said, the Type 97 and Type 97B are the same mag release, you got to wield and use that gun before making a comment my friend

If you check my post you'll see that was removed before you posted.

[cbcsteve]

Originally Posted by Styrak

If you check my post you'll see that was removed before you posted.

I wanted to responde to your original post like you did with mine, anyway enough with the thread jacking

I would say if you get the RS Type 97B or 97 you won't have to get any long mag pouch since P90 mags are long and the m4 mags are easy to find and easy to pack

One other thing about the 97 series is their awesome gearbox it's built so efficient that even a low power spring outputs a high fps so a systema 85 spring should put you around 340 fps and the spring is interchangable to so no cracking open the whole gearbox you can just unscrew the small holder that keeps the spring guide inside and it just comes right out

[Ninja_En_Short]

To go back to Long_Bong question it's positioned on the rightbecause of chinese way, which is actually not stupid at all.

Basically with the mag release there tou can actually force the mag out easily if a jam occurs (beer can grip to quote Mylord Travis Haley, indexing mags is a pain on bulpup, at least for me). I tried a FAMAS 1st gen (RS) with straight mag it's actually a pain in the ass to get out with severe jamming.

On bulpup the best thing would definitely be a secondary trigger (like an EGLM) in front of the first one to act as mag release.
I'm actually working on a rifle with such features in fact.

[Long_Bong]

Type 97 mechanic is very very impressive!

Add on a silence and it fairly silent too!

Silver has one and I was impress last week end, big time!

Just the mag release, (I wish I was left handed!!)

Any reason why RS did not make the Type 95?

Originally Posted by cbcsteve

I wanted to responde to your original post like you did with mine, anyway enough with the thread jacking

I would say if you get the RS Type 97B or 97 you won't have to get any long mag pouch since P90 mags are long and the m4 mags are easy to find and easy to pack

One other thing about the 97 series is their awesome gearbox it's built so efficient that even a low power spring outputs a high fps so a systema 85 spring should put you around 340 fps and the spring is interchangable to so no cracking open the whole gearbox you can just unscrew the small holder that keeps the spring guide inside and it just comes right out

[cbcsteve]

By far the most accurate Bullpup AEG I have ever shot. Right out the box you don't need upgrade anything, all you have to do is change the spring depending on the FPS limit and you are are good to go

[Long_Bong]

Is it the same mechanic for the RS AK serie?

[cbcsteve]

No, actually the RS Type 97 series Gearbox does not resemble any of the standard gearboxes out there. Perhaps it looks like a Version 1 Gearbox but still a bit far off.

RS 97 Series Gearbox


Real Sword AK Gearbox is definitely a Version 3
- Cannot do quick spring change like the RS 97