Need some guidance

[tcc]

Hello everyone,
I'm new to airsoft and to the board as you can see by my post count

I'm looking to purchase some equipment to probably use mostly in CQB and possibly outdoors non-CQB (if that's the correct phrasing ) and have decided to go with a Glock G19 and an M4 GBB.

With all the different types and specs of M4 GBBs it gets confusing. What I want to achieve is:
-make it an all-around gun so I can use it in CQB and non-CQB by just swapping out parts back and forth depending on what I plan to play (if that's possible).
-be able to adjust the fps depending on what I'm playing and what is allowable.
-good accuracy
-solid all metal
-upgrades is endless (internally and externally)

I was looking at this model, WE AWSS GBB M4 CQBR CO2 Platform- WETTI/AFC Latest Version 4 with Steel outer barrel. Good? yes/no?

Any advice and guidance is greatly appreciated

Oh, if I'm not using the right terminology then excuse me

TIA

[Brian McIlmoyle]

WE Awss is a good option..

you could get 2 upper receivers one short barreled for CQB and one longer for the field..

probably best to get complete uppers with bolts .. and set the FPS ( with adjustable nozzles) and lock em in for their defined use..

Takes 30 seconds to swap uppers

[L473ncy]

For the primary you're probably good with a SystemA PTW. The cylinder swapping makes it super easy to change speeds and it's less than 30 seconds to swap out. BUT they're pricey, expect $1800 for a PTW at minimum more if it includes real steel accessories (it's built to exact real steel specs).

GBBR, I don't know. It's probably good to get an NPAS kit or something to change the velocities or buy a separate upper receiver and swap that out.

As for GBB, TM is best but if you can't get it then the KSC isn't too bad either.

I personally have the KSC G19 and it's a nice little work horse for a secondary. I wouldn't game it as a primary without upgrades however out of the box it's great for a secondary weapon and works well in CQB if you're required to switch out (ie. a game involving in and outdoor environments and you're forced to switch to a secondary that shoots at CQB velocities when entering a building).

[Brian McIlmoyle]

Originally Posted by L473ncy

For the primary you're probably good with a SystemA PTW. The cylinder swapping makes it super easy to change speeds and it's less than 30 seconds to swap out. BUT they're pricey, expect $1800 for a PTW at minimum more if it includes real steel accessories (it's built to exact real steel specs).

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could buy the WE with 2 uppers for less than the PTW

[Kokanee]

Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle

could buy the WE with 2 uppers for less than the PTW

+1, I own a PTW and a GBBR M4 and I agree with this statement, for a new player a PTW is not a good buy.

[tcc]

Yah, $1800 is juuusssttt a bit too much to spend. But isn't a PTW an AEG? So two complete uppers AND two adjustable nozzles? Any suggestions? Would a RA-Tech NPAS work for the application I want?

Not knocking the AEGs but from the videos I have seen on them they sound so electric and realism to me is a preference of mine.

[Crunchmeister]

I personally wouldn't recommend a GBBr for a first gun. A good AEG would be a better idea. It's cheaper to buy, requires less maintenance, it's cheaper to keep equipped ($15 / mag vs $50-90 / mag), and parts are cheap and easy to come by in country. And you can also use it outdoors in winter. GBBr will mean you can't play with temperatures of about 5ºC or less.

I'd personally recommend an ICS M4 or M16 as a first gun. You get the base gun and can buy a separate upper receiver / front end and a second upper mechbox. Tune one to sub 400 fps velocities and use that with a longer front end for outdoors, and a second upper mechbox tuned to sub-350 fps with a short front end for CQB. That way, by removing 2 pins, you can swap configuration in less than 2 mins.

For GBB, go either TM or KSC / KWA for a Glock. My KSC G17 has been a fantastic workhorse for 3 years now without any issue, and has seen literally thousands of rounds. KSC or TM will cost a bit more than other brands, but you really get what you pay for.

[Rugger_can]

I know its not on your list but did you consider the WE SCAR, I recently picked one up and Im quiet pleased with it. It comes in a CQC length however there is a screw on barrel extention avaliable and you can buy a longer inner barrel. It would a less expensive option and would allow you to have the versatility your seeking at a considerably smaller price tag (around 900ish for the gun, RA tech upgrade/Npas kit, Barrel extention, inner barrel) and the NPAS kit will allow you to fine tune the FPS to suit your setup.

In anycase welcome to airsoft Canada. I suggest you consider one thing. Hit up a local game in your area just to visit and talk with the guys running GBBR's and ask them polietly if they can explain some of the quirks and perhaps even allow you to handle them, if your nice and deport yourself in a positive manner most airsofters jump at the chance to talk shop.


Cheers.

[pusangani]

He said he wanted an M4 gbb, I don't know where PTW came into the mix, even ICS' spring swapping is cheaper if he was going to that route

[tcc]

What are ppls opinion on the G&P WOC M4 GBBR? Someone has one but there are different models and I can`t figure out which one it is.

[tcc]

No one has an opinion?? Strange

[L473ncy]

Sorry, no knowledge about the G&P WOC GBBR however gasguns.info is a resource that you should take a look at, basically to my understanding it's like the "SystemA PTW Owners forum" with a plethora of resources that are available to you as well as in depth discussions and a large knowledgebase.

In short, go there for all you need or ever want to know about GBBR's.

Oh yes, the ICS also does have a sort of "quick swap" upper and lower so that's an option too, don't know why I didn't think of that at all I guess it was just a mindfart or something.

As well I believe the STAR/ARES line of guns have a "quick swap spring" feature or something but you'll have to do some research about that on your own that's all I know about it.

EDIT: Also, yes I do know that AEG's can sound like "sewing machines" but you can reduce the noise by doing a few things like sorbo pads, correct motorheight and helical gears but it will never be eliminated I guess you don't get that with the GBBR though since it's operated by gas rather than a motor.