Need help to identify this rail

Doubleagent · November 22nd, 2011, 05:00

I bought a front end on the forum that is suppose to be a HK416 front end but I know that it's not so I would like to get some other views about it and hopefully Identify it.
Thanks.

icaris · November 22nd, 2011, 19:50

Looks very similar to a PDW

MaciekA · November 22nd, 2011, 20:05

I have the PDW in the picture and while the rail in question is loosely similar, a lot of the PDW's uniqueness comes from the fact that the rail is part of the upper, whereas the pictured rail is clearly two pieces.

If it's claimed to be a 416 rail, I'm guessing it's also much bigger. I've also noticed on 416 rails and uppers that I've seen that the rail is raised quite a big height off the receiver compared to an m4, whereas the PDW is much closer to an M4 height.

Doubleagent · November 23rd, 2011, 06:53

It really does like a PDW rail set or a S-system but I'm sure it's not a 416 rail. He is trying to say it came from a G&G PM416 but I can't find a G&G PM416 that looks like this.

Does anyone else have a G&G PM416?

Styrak · November 23rd, 2011, 11:02

The raised rail on the receiver is the giveaway that it's a 416 receiver.
The rail? Not sure, but it matches up with the 416 receiver...

Qlong · November 23rd, 2011, 11:28

That's actually not a 416 upper, those are awkwardly high.

The rail system is most likely a modded KAC RAS, you can tell by the 2-2-2-1 hole arrangement. If it was, both ends were cut off as a portion of the weld bead is missing. Don't know how it's attached tho, custom work I guess.

Danke · November 23rd, 2011, 12:26

That looks like a KAC type gas block.

On a 416 upper the "bump" opposite the ejection port should be round like in this photo (thanks Soldier Systems). Not square.

Kos-Mos · November 25th, 2011, 01:08

Reason it looks like the PDW is the original company is the same...

Looks like a KAC 7" RIS kit with raised top rail...

Sounds like a crappy chinese rail... and finish makes me think the same too.

I know some of theses rails came with the top one removable and a spacer included to install it on 416s... check if you can unscrew the top rail and see if there is a spacer.

*Edit* That is not either a 416 upper or front rail...

See included pics... bottom is WE HK416 receiver, top is ICS Colt M4 receiver... notice the difference in height of the top rail...

Doubleagent · November 25th, 2011, 06:35

This rail is exactly 6.5 inches long, that's way too short for a 416. It's the same length as my aftermath M4 rail.

Doubleagent · November 25th, 2011, 07:06

Check out the pic where the rail 416 rail would mount.

Danke · November 25th, 2011, 12:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doubleagent

Check out the pic where the rail 416 rail would mount.

That is where the gas block would go. The 416 rail is secured by a screw at the receiver end.

It's just a bunch of parts thrown together. If the guy you got it from won't tell you what it is then you're out of luck.

It never was and never will be a 416.

dutch13 · November 26th, 2011, 01:39

Looks like a front end off of a g&g raider m4 to me....i had one and it looked exactly like that.

HKGhost · November 26th, 2011, 01:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by dutch13

Looks like a front end off of a g&g raider m4 to me....i had one and it looked exactly like that.

BINGO! I knew I've seen that rail before. I removed one for a customer awhile ago. It's from G&G and the way it mounts to the barrel nut is a bitch to put on and take off.

dutch13 · November 26th, 2011, 01:53

that's what i figured, and normally the only way to keep it on is by leaving the front site post on as it's a one piece with with flashhider and end of the barrel, that's why there's a gas block on the barrel.

ronin49v · November 27th, 2011, 02:43

Thats not a 416 rail. whoever sold that to you is wrong. Did he say it was a HK416 rail or front end, well it looks more like a regular KAC 7" rail. Its not even close.

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November 23rd, 2011, 11:02	#5
Styrak Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Saskatoon, SK	The raised rail on the receiver is the giveaway that it's a 416 receiver. The rail? Not sure, but it matches up with the 416 receiver... __________________ Airsoft Sales and Repair/Upgrade Services

November 23rd, 2011, 11:28	#6
Qlong Division Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Scarborough, Ontario	That's actually not a 416 upper, those are awkwardly high. The rail system is most likely a modded KAC RAS, you can tell by the 2-2-2-1 hole arrangement. If it was, both ends were cut off as a portion of the weld bead is missing. Don't know how it's attached tho, custom work I guess. __________________ Weee! Last edited by Qlong; November 23rd, 2011 at 11:32..

November 22nd, 2011, 20:05	#3
MaciekA Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Portland, Oregon, USA	I have the PDW in the picture and while the rail in question is loosely similar, a lot of the PDW's uniqueness comes from the fact that the rail is part of the upper, whereas the pictured rail is clearly two pieces. If it's claimed to be a 416 rail, I'm guessing it's also much bigger. I've also noticed on 416 rails and uppers that I've seen that the rail is raised quite a big height off the receiver compared to an m4, whereas the PDW is much closer to an M4 height.

November 23rd, 2011, 06:53	#4
Doubleagent Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Lower mainland ,BC	It really does like a PDW rail set or a S-system but I'm sure it's not a 416 rail. He is trying to say it came from a G&G PM416 but I can't find a G&G PM416 that looks like this. Does anyone else have a G&G PM416?

November 26th, 2011, 01:39	#12
dutch13 Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Manitoba	Looks like a front end off of a g&g raider m4 to me....i had one and it looked exactly like that.

November 26th, 2011, 01:53	#14
dutch13 Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Manitoba	that's what i figured, and normally the only way to keep it on is by leaving the front site post on as it's a one piece with with flashhider and end of the barrel, that's why there's a gas block on the barrel.

November 27th, 2011, 02:43	#15
ronin49v Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Vancouver	Thats not a 416 rail. whoever sold that to you is wrong. Did he say it was a HK416 rail or front end, well it looks more like a regular KAC 7" rail. Its not even close.

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