Choices for M4: VFC or KWA

davidz58 · February 19th, 2012, 22:59

Hey guys,

What your vote on these two guns. I currently have a G&P M4 - looking for another piece to bring to games if the G&P craps out.

VFC M4ES Quale - $499

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KWA M4 SR7 - $499

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Looking for something that is reliable - especially good internals.

Thanks in advance.

Curo · February 19th, 2012, 23:34

VFC but its kind like Peanut butter and Strawberry jam vs Peanut butter and Raspberry jam in this case.

JLiang · February 19th, 2012, 23:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobalt Caliber

VFC but its kind like Peanut butter and Strawberry jam vs Peanut butter and Raspberry jam in this case.

lol! Best analogy ever!

I'm actually interested in the KWA's internals as well, because I'm considering the KM4A1.

TANKMAN · February 20th, 2012, 00:09

i personally believe vfc is boss

HKGhost · February 20th, 2012, 00:25

If the KWA has the 2GX gearbox, I would take that over VFC. But be sure to replace the metal piston head with a polycarbonate one before using. If you want a better looking gun, get the VFC. Replace the piston, check AOE and shimming if you want to have it running reliable.

venture · February 20th, 2012, 00:46

Just worked on my first VFC AEG. Just a couple hours ago actually, installed tb barrel and Raptor FET. I was quite impressed with the gun overall. As ghost mentioned, piston was clear polycarbonate. He says replace, but you can get a few seasons out of a good polycarb piston with up to M120 spring. I was impressed at the tolerances. The gearbox went together as smoothly as any Marui I have ever worked on. Other Chinese gb's need tricks to hold pieces in place due to slackness in tolerances.

HKGhost · February 20th, 2012, 00:54

Yes, you can play a few season with the stock VFC piston, but be sure to check AOE, Shimming of bevel gear and do the premature engagement mod. I had 6 stock VFC all had stripped pistons at the same place. It was due to AOE and second last tooth wasn't removed. Now if you have the know how to do these fixes before using, get the VFC. If you don't KWA is better IMO.

venture · February 20th, 2012, 01:06

KWA has their own set of issues, too. They are well built but they have problems.

Where (or maybe I should say "How") were all the pistons damaged, Ghost?

HKGhost · February 20th, 2012, 01:33

the last 3 teethes. Including the pick up tooth. On farther inspection, it was due to poor AOE. On some, the pick up teeth on the gear would pull the piston at an angle that was for sure to cause premature wear. And I was right as the next VFC M4 came in with the same issue. And 6 later, all had similar issue more or less.

SuperCriollo · February 20th, 2012, 01:45

I would say go with the KWA, because it comes stock with a very good tight bore barre, and a Firefly style bucking.

MMatersk · February 20th, 2012, 02:02

Running my Stock Quake ! never had a issue gamed it hard all last season. Hopefully I can say that this year as well

! Get VFC

KheSan · February 27th, 2012, 13:29

Hi Guys
I'm new to airsoft. Got the KWA kM4 SR7 about three weeks ago. Have shot it (targets) to sight in red dot sight and laser. Love it. Shoots great. I have also played with it and was very impressed with it. It was very accurate and I got a lot of hits. As you know, it came with a 450 spring that I immediately had downgraded to the standard 350 (I think). From what the gun tech was saying when he was working on it he seemed very impressed with the internals. He said it was the first time he had worked on one and was very impressed. Even called his boss over to have a look. What should I look out for? Anything I can do to ensure its longevity. One thing I found a little weird is that the hop-up seems to adjust backwards. It is supposed to turn forward (toward the tip of the barrel) to increase hop-up but when I did this it seemed to decrease it as the bb's would drop much quicker. Does this seem right?

THe_Silencer · February 27th, 2012, 16:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by HKGhost

I had 6 stock VFC all had stripped pistons at the same place. It was due to AOE and second last tooth wasn't removed.

Every VFC I've seen have the 2nd tooth removed. Strange that you've encountered 6 with full teeth.

JLiang · February 27th, 2012, 18:57

All modern KWA AEGs come stock with a 2Gx gearbox, which is quite possibly THE strongest stock gearbox in the world right now. It can take a 16v 50c LiPo (I believe) for about 3 mid-cap mags before shredding. Even most high-grade, customized gearboxes can only take about 1-2 shots before it completely burns out. Not only that, but it comes with self-shimming gears, so it's perfectly shimmed out of the box.

So as of now, don't do anything to the internals, because it's going to last a long, LONG time.

Airsoft Mum · March 2nd, 2012, 09:33

Just a thought, but have you considered the Beta Project M4? It's 'Magpul'd' to buggery and back and it's cheaper

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February 19th, 2012, 22:59	#1
davidz58 Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2011	Choices for M4: VFC or KWA Hey guys, What your vote on these two guns. I currently have a G&P M4 - looking for another piece to bring to games if the G&P craps out. VFC M4ES Quale - $499 (URL Removed by Admin) KWA M4 SR7 - $499 (URL Removed by Admin) Looking for something that is reliable - especially good internals. Thanks in advance. Last edited by Aquamarine; February 20th, 2012 at 08:30..

February 20th, 2012, 00:09	#4
TANKMAN Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Brockville Ont.	i personally believe vfc is boss __________________ Load Out: Primary: Modified VFC M4, Echo 1 M249 Para, Modified Magpul M4 Secondary: TM Glock 18C, TM Glock 17, KJW M9, WA M9

February 20th, 2012, 00:25	#5
HKGhost Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Mississauga, ON	If the KWA has the 2GX gearbox, I would take that over VFC. But be sure to replace the metal piston head with a polycarbonate one before using. If you want a better looking gun, get the VFC. Replace the piston, check AOE and shimming if you want to have it running reliable. __________________ Please email me as I'm not on ASC too often. Custom Build \| Upgrades \| Repairs \| Maintenance Contact: ghostgunwork@gmail.com / Private Message

February 20th, 2012, 00:46	#6
venture Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Halifax	Just worked on my first VFC AEG. Just a couple hours ago actually, installed tb barrel and Raptor FET. I was quite impressed with the gun overall. As ghost mentioned, piston was clear polycarbonate. He says replace, but you can get a few seasons out of a good polycarb piston with up to M120 spring. I was impressed at the tolerances. The gearbox went together as smoothly as any Marui I have ever worked on. Other Chinese gb's need tricks to hold pieces in place due to slackness in tolerances. __________________ Visit us at :www.ventureairsoft.ca

February 20th, 2012, 00:54	#7
HKGhost Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Mississauga, ON	Yes, you can play a few season with the stock VFC piston, but be sure to check AOE, Shimming of bevel gear and do the premature engagement mod. I had 6 stock VFC all had stripped pistons at the same place. It was due to AOE and second last tooth wasn't removed. Now if you have the know how to do these fixes before using, get the VFC. If you don't KWA is better IMO. __________________ Please email me as I'm not on ASC too often. Custom Build \| Upgrades \| Repairs \| Maintenance Contact: ghostgunwork@gmail.com / Private Message

February 20th, 2012, 01:06	#8
venture Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Halifax	KWA has their own set of issues, too. They are well built but they have problems. Where (or maybe I should say "How") were all the pistons damaged, Ghost? __________________ Visit us at :www.ventureairsoft.ca

February 20th, 2012, 01:33	#9
HKGhost Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Mississauga, ON	the last 3 teethes. Including the pick up tooth. On farther inspection, it was due to poor AOE. On some, the pick up teeth on the gear would pull the piston at an angle that was for sure to cause premature wear. And I was right as the next VFC M4 came in with the same issue. And 6 later, all had similar issue more or less. __________________ Please email me as I'm not on ASC too often. Custom Build \| Upgrades \| Repairs \| Maintenance Contact: ghostgunwork@gmail.com / Private Message

February 20th, 2012, 01:45	#10
SuperCriollo Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Kitchener, ON	I would say go with the KWA, because it comes stock with a very good tight bore barre, and a Firefly style bucking. __________________ SuperCriollo

February 20th, 2012, 02:02	#11
MMatersk Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Mississauga	Running my Stock Quake ! never had a issue gamed it hard all last season. Hopefully I can say that this year as well ! Get VFC __________________ "Strength and Honour, Faith and Fury. In these four principles is Life defined and Victory achieved." https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bad-K...8&ref=bookmark

February 27th, 2012, 13:29	#12
KheSan Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ancaster, ON, Canada	Have KWA M4 - What should I watch out for? Hi Guys I'm new to airsoft. Got the KWA kM4 SR7 about three weeks ago. Have shot it (targets) to sight in red dot sight and laser. Love it. Shoots great. I have also played with it and was very impressed with it. It was very accurate and I got a lot of hits. As you know, it came with a 450 spring that I immediately had downgraded to the standard 350 (I think). From what the gun tech was saying when he was working on it he seemed very impressed with the internals. He said it was the first time he had worked on one and was very impressed. Even called his boss over to have a look. What should I look out for? Anything I can do to ensure its longevity. One thing I found a little weird is that the hop-up seems to adjust backwards. It is supposed to turn forward (toward the tip of the barrel) to increase hop-up but when I did this it seemed to decrease it as the bb's would drop much quicker. Does this seem right?

February 27th, 2012, 18:57	#14
JLiang Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Waterloo, ON	All modern KWA AEGs come stock with a 2Gx gearbox, which is quite possibly THE strongest stock gearbox in the world right now. It can take a 16v 50c LiPo (I believe) for about 3 mid-cap mags before shredding. Even most high-grade, customized gearboxes can only take about 1-2 shots before it completely burns out. Not only that, but it comes with self-shimming gears, so it's perfectly shimmed out of the box. So as of now, don't do anything to the internals, because it's going to last a long, LONG time. __________________ []]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] ------)_'_\ * ( "----------\ * \ "-----------\_*_\

March 2nd, 2012, 09:33	#15
Airsoft Mum Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Am Scottish, but live in Slovenia	Just a thought, but have you considered the Beta Project M4? It's 'Magpul'd' to buggery and back and it's cheaper __________________ If you don't take your hits you won't get your pudding!

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