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[generichandle]

Wound up getting g&p moe

[SuperCriollo]

VFC M4, and the best set of goggles and boots you can afford.

[Thenooblord]

Alot of people will turn up their noses, but I really think a Kraken, or a CYMA AK, is the best starting AEG, if you get a good one, they can last years with no work, and you can get them for like $200, and spend money on good boots, and good goggles, and maybe a pistol? depends on your priorities, but for plinking at home and CQB games, nothing beats a GBB pistol

[MaciekA]

Originally Posted by generichandle

looking to buy a gp or possibly a ca because based on reviews I've read their well built and require little innitial modding

To put it lightly, you've been reading the wrong reviews... G&Ps generally require replacing some key components before they're really ready for truly reliable service. That said, once you get good gears, correct AoE, throw in a decent piston, and possibly toss out the lacklustre M120 motor you'll be good. These are all cheap changes to make. The key to a good running platform is the effort and attention to detail that you put into it.

I'm looking for semi decent rof, accuracy is the defining factor though...

Don't worry about accuracy from one stock gun to another. All stock guns generally are generally OK when it comes to accuracy or distance, though I will say the G&Ps are decent for stock guns. You can HUGELY improve both distance and accuracy yourself after buying by simply changing your bucking and/or nub (example: the PDI W-hold). Optimize for other things like good manufacturing, TM compatibility, neodymium motors, good externals, etc.

I've been giving the G&P MOE some consideration because I've been fallowing it since it was a prototype back in 2k8 (MagPul/ Bushmaster collaboration the masada/ACR) but have read that the M120 motor that comes in the G&P MOE is underpowered for the system.

The easy solution for this is to get a good "project gun" M4 like a G&P C8 or a King Arms M4 and turn it into a MOE build. You can get the MOE handguard, pistol grip, sights, stock, etc as aftermarket upgrades. I'd focus on a good base instead, especially if you appreciate mechanics. At the same time, the G&P MOE isn't perfect, but it is an absolutely solid project gun. You can fit a large battery and mosfet into the front handguard, the gearbox shell is super compatible with pretty much every aftermarket part out there, the airseal nozzle is excellent, and the receiver is superbly-made and painted. It's also easily modified for even bigger wiring, etc.

Thought about getting the masada pts since its "officially licenced" but have read bad thing's about its gear box, most specifically the fact that it utilizes proprietary internals which would make modding/ repairing a pain in the ass if not impossible.
I'm by no means set on any specific weapons platform and love the design of HK's 416/7 which technically is just a barrel change.

Masadas, 416s, etc are a royal pain in the ass for you if you want to improve/maintain and generally grow with your gun over time and have no love for searching for parts/etc. Proprietary gearboxes, hopups, and especially nozzles are by far the quickest way to kill your interest in airsoft. People who are in love with alternative guns are going to try to convince you otherwise, but it's true: You're far less likely to work or be able to work on a gun that has rare or tricky parts.

In contrast, sticking with a nice standard highly TM-compatible M4 (like the KA M4 or any G&P M4) is going to make your life very easy. In addition, if you're mechanically-inclined, they're far easier to work on and learn about internals.

Good luck.. Keep asking questions

[MaciekA]

The above two posts are also good advice. CYMA AKs are badass, and VFC M4s are superb. The only thing that sucks balls about VFC is the terrible self-shimming gears and weak tappet plate spring, but it's pretty much the golden rule that every "perfect" gun made in Hong Kong or Taiwan needs a few hours and $60 worth of changes before it's really "perfect"

[thpethalK]

No budget...PTW

[Danke]

$650.00 and no budget is confusing. Which is it?

[Thenooblord]

Well if hes into real steel, $650 probably isnt too much by comparison...

[generichandle]

Originally Posted by Danke

$650.00 and no budget is confusing. Which is it?

In terms of overall expenditure no real budget, but I have a hard time justifying spending more than 650 given market prices and the cost of upgrades.... Hope that helps. Thanks for your amazing informative post...

[generichandle]

Originally Posted by MaciekA

To put it lightly, you've been reading the wrong reviews... G&Ps generally require replacing some key components before they're really ready for truly reliable service. That said, once you get good gears, correct AoE, throw in a decent piston, and possibly toss out the lacklustre M120 motor you'll be good. These are all cheap changes to make. The key to a good running platform is the effort and attention to detail that you put into it.



Don't worry about accuracy from one stock gun to another. All stock guns generally are generally OK when it comes to accuracy or distance, though I will say the G&Ps are decent for stock guns. You can HUGELY improve both distance and accuracy yourself after buying by simply changing your bucking and/or nub (example: the PDI W-hold). Optimize for other things like good manufacturing, TM compatibility, neodymium motors, good externals, etc.



The easy solution for this is to get a good "project gun" M4 like a G&P C8 or a King Arms M4 and turn it into a MOE build. You can get the MOE handguard, pistol grip, sights, stock, etc as aftermarket upgrades. I'd focus on a good base instead, especially if you appreciate mechanics. At the same time, the G&P MOE isn't perfect, but it is an absolutely solid project gun. You can fit a large battery and mosfet into the front handguard, the gearbox shell is super compatible with pretty much every aftermarket part out there, the airseal nozzle is excellent, and the receiver is superbly-made and painted. It's also easily modified for even bigger wiring, etc.


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Masadas, 416s, etc are a royal pain in the ass for you if you want to improve/maintain and generally grow with your gun over time and have no love for searching for parts/etc. Proprietary gearboxes, hopups, and especially nozzles are by far the quickest way to kill your interest in airsoft. People who are in love with alternative guns are going to try to convince you otherwise, but it's true: You're far less likely to work or be able to work on a gun that has rare or tricky parts.

In contrast, sticking with a nice standard highly TM-compatible M4 (like the KA M4 or any G&P M4) is going to make your life very easy. In addition, if you're mechanically-inclined, they're far easier to work on and learn about internals.

Good luck.. Keep asking questions

Your the man, thanks for the amazing feedback I'm too drunk atm to appropriately respond but will get back to this in The am, again thanks for not being a cunt like some other folks.

[Danke]

Originally Posted by generichandle

In terms of overall expenditure no real budget, but I have a hard time justifying spending more than 650 given market prices and the cost of upgrades.... Hope that helps. Thanks for your amazing informative post...

I suggest avoiding drunk posting as the new guy on here. Regardless of being in the tank you'll get fried and when you come back sober you'll get fried again.

Your best bet is a used gun out of the classifieds. All the fixes thrown at it and ready to roll. This is the time of year to be buying; lots for sale and most people are holding their cash till spring.

[generichandle]

Originally Posted by Danke

I suggest avoiding drunk posting as the new guy on here. Regardless of being in the tank you'll get fried and when you come back sober you'll get fried again.

Your best bet is a used gun out of the classifieds. All the fixes thrown at it and ready to roll. This is the time of year to be buying; lots for sale and most people are holding their cash till spring.

If you all can't understand drinking at a wake because of a death in the family on a adult oriented forum I think I'm in the wrong place,thanks for that bit of info though I appreciate the solid advice but I'm a DIY guy and like fresh out of the box goodies you seem like as nice guy now! I retract my cunt statement.

[Ricochet]

I'm sorry for your loss, but I think the point is drunk posting in general is the issue. We don't know you are attending a wake, and we don't need to know. This is an adult forum as you said, so we expect you to act like it. Perhaps posting while drinking at a wake was a poor choice; drinking at the wake itself however, is your business.

^
Just some friendly advice. New members are expected to make good introductions, the latter ends with removal from this forum, or further treatment of neglect and disdain. I won't mention any specific names in particular; except maybe Ricochet ...I hate that guy!


On to your question. I'd stay "very" clear of Kraken as its barely considered an airsoft gun, and I'm not a fan of anything Cyma has ever made. VFC, CA, etc are decent starting platform, but the King Arms Colt M4 is the best bang for your buck. VFC, CA, G&P, TM, etc, they've all made good starting platforms. No one company has ever had a perfect track record and personal opinion does play a heavy factor in the airsoft world. An M4 is a great way to go as parts are more common, and they are easy to outfit/upgrade. $650 will build you a pretty solid gun, but all guns need proper maintenance and the odd parts replacement. You'll also see better guns the. Yours and want to upgrade further (get your cheque book ready!). After the gun you'll want to invest in proper eyewear, headwear, combats, a chest rig, boots, etc. extreme airsofters have loadouts worth thousands, not including the cost of their guns and night vision, etc. it all comes down to who you play with, and where you play. $1000 (if you have it) will start you off pretty good including gear and gun; if you take the time to shop.

Welcome to ASC

[BennyBoy]

+1 vfc m4

[mike_sinyard]

King Arms M4A1 Full metal... Recommended to me by a friend and it turned out to be a great choice.. Both of us are working on modding them and upgrading them but the externals are amazing the internals are great. Could be shimmed and put a new spring with spring guide in. The gun feels great to hold. real weight to it. and just looks mean to hold. Start adding mods to it like a red dot and swap the stock and forestock out for foliage green magpul parts it starts looking REALLLL Good.. it runs around $300 and leaves you extra cash for Pmags, Goggles, clothes, battery, charger.. Take a look at it online