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Aaidin · February 28th, 2006, 22:46

Hey everyone, my Airsoft team is getting underway and we're having a really rough time looking for some uniforms. At first we wanted OD's but after researching I discovered they aren't very effective as camo, especially not when compared to CADPAT and other new camo. CADPAT unfourtunately is too focused on a certain type of terrain. We're looking for some sort 'all around' camo (anywhere from Forests is BC to Urban/Indoor areas). The closest thing I've found is the Propper ACU BDU's found here: http://www.botac.com/propperarmyacu.html. I really like the look and idea of them and was wondering if anyone had any practical experience with them? Is there any other similar camo that people like? I'm fairly new at this, as is my whole team so any help would be much appreciated. Also, what color TAC-gear would you recommend with such camo? I'd go for black, but it's hard to say.

Trader rating · February 28th, 2006, 22:48

ACU isn't that great in the woods

IMO CADPAT works great in most wooded areas.
I'd recemmend Woodland or DPM though. If you want a Digital Cam still, I'd go for MARPAT.

Don't use black LBE, etc. Go for green or a camo that matches your uniform if thats what you want.

Aaidin · February 28th, 2006, 22:54

Well, we need something that can be used indoors and in winter as well and CADPAT doesn't seem to do it for me. Also, I really should have mentioned that being unique would be nice (seeing as everyone and their dog has CADPAT). What was the problem with the ACU in the woods? Too much grey?

Also, forgive my ignorance, but could you expand on this slightly:

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I'd recemmend Woodland or DPM though. If you want a Digital Cam still, I'd go for MARPAT.

What's 'DPM' (am I going to be shot for asking that?). Also, isn't MARPAT something we'd end up wanting the Woodland and the Urban version of?

Some of my team really don't have tons of money so one decent all-around camo would be the best thing for us.

Mr_Steezy · February 28th, 2006, 22:58

It looks like Multicam would be a good all around camo.

666 · February 28th, 2006, 23:09

You will be spotted in matter of seconds wearing ACU in the woods. At least it didn't take me long to spot people wearing that stuff. OD is actually not as bad as you think since camo is just an additional tool to ones skills. OD is pretty universal, works as long as there is some green vegitation around you.
In my opinion, out of all types of camo I've used DPM and fleck works the best.

Eddie · February 28th, 2006, 23:09

DPM is the British Woodland.

SKI · February 28th, 2006, 23:12

DPM is the British style pattern.

The problem is that there is no such thing as an all around camo. As far as I'm concerned, an all around camo is a comprimise . I would suggest picking a pattern that you feel comfortable in the bush with. Indoors, it doesn't really matter what you wear. Most indoor fields are dimly lit and it's not easy making out different camo patterns anyway. If you need something for winter, invest in winter whites. They are cheap to purchase at surplus stores. You wear them over your clothes so it doesn't matter what you have on underneath.
The multicam is fairly unique but I think that eventualy it will be fairly common when prices start to drop a little more.

Dracheous · February 28th, 2006, 23:28

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Originally Posted by SKI

DPM is the British style pattern.

The problem is that there is no such thing as an all around camo. As far as I'm concerned, an all around camo is a comprimise . I would suggest picking a pattern that you feel comfortable in the bush with. Indoors, it doesn't really matter what you wear. Most indoor fields are dimly lit and it's not easy making out different camo patterns anyway. If you need something for winter, invest in winter whites. They are cheap to purchase at surplus stores. You wear them over your clothes so it doesn't matter what you have on underneath.
The multicam is fairly unique but I think that eventualy it will be fairly common when prices start to drop a little more.

Indoors... don't matter? Hmmm... funny cause they have Urban camo's for those sits... you know... the black and grey...

But yeah, your comprimising on going with "multi-role"... but "US Multi-cam" is so damn GOOD.

Batman · February 28th, 2006, 23:36

Multicam sucks ass out in BC, except for very few areas.
believe me I had enough of the stuff.
Best camos in BC, Flecktarn, British or Dutch DPM, Woodland and Marpat.
Cadpat is also very effective in the summer.

Aaidin · February 28th, 2006, 23:38

Thanks everyone for your help. I just have one last question. If the ACU is so inferior in the woods why is the US army adopting it as the official uniform? Is it because they only fight in deserts/urban environments these days and the ACU works fine there?

I did note that the ACU pattern looks lighter than I thought it was in most pictures. So I can kind of see why it wouldn't be great in the woods. Still, it just seems odd to me that they'd use it officially if it's no good, ah well, you people have more experience than I do so I'll trust you I suppose.

I will say personally that multicam seems to deserty and dry to play with in BC, a lot of dense forests and dark browns etc...here and the multicam seems a bit more 'arid' than that. Flecktarn might work well, I'll have to take a closer look at that as well.

Also, out of curiousity anyone got pics of ACU in action? I searched a bit on google and couldn't find any.

Please keep the comments coming! It's super helpful!

Batman · February 28th, 2006, 23:39

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Originally Posted by Dracheous

Indoors... don't matter? Hmmm... funny cause they have Urban camo's for those sits... you know... the black and grey...

Urban camo is a farse
find a team guy anywhere that wears it
for urban ops, you will still find guys wearing what they are issued camo wise or solid colours.

666 · March 1st, 2006, 00:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dracheous

Hmmm... funny cause they have Urban camo's for those sits... you know... the black and grey...

To blend with what? A chair, or maybe a door

? If there is enough light no matter what you wear people will see you when it comes to urban settings. If there is not enough light, no matter what you wear people won't see you

Well, except for really bright colours of course.
I wore ubran, US woodland, DPM, Fleck, bunch of different Russian patterns and just regular civi stuff in CQB. It all works the same, maybe black works a bit better but not too noticable of a difference. Everything depends on light.

Aaidin, you pretty much answered your own question. I remember reading somewhere that US plans to have most of the action in desert and ubran settings. As for pics of ACU, check gallery and after action report section. Couple of guys from Snow Dragons have ACU, I'm pretty sure you will find their pics here somewhere.

Batman · March 1st, 2006, 00:14

here is a High Res pic of the 82nd Airborne in theater using ACUs.
also, coyote, tan, khaki or ACU gear works best over ACU

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3...istan111yu.jpg

pugs144 · March 1st, 2006, 00:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaidin

Still, it ust seems odd to me that they'd use it officially if it's no good, ah well, you people have more experience than I do so I'll trust you I suppose.

Here's one story I've read:

Crye Precision developed MultiCam with Natick Labs. Natick isn't the oganization that was or is tasked with finding a new camouflage pattern for the US Army. That was PEO Soldier. PEO soldier developed the ACU pattern, the commander of PEO Soldier liked ACU pattern, and PEO Soldier didn't even know that Multi-cam existed. The ACU pattern was adopted.

Multicam wasn't even on the radar of the people who were making the decisions. Looks like a matter of one hand not know what the other is doing.

Not the first time an organization burned mucho dineros to develop an inadequate piece of equipment, CF Tac Vest anyone? Still, ACU's starting to grow on me.

SockMonkey · March 1st, 2006, 00:42

Camo is like cars, you like Chev or Ford? now they perform close but there are differences. Then there are ugos... ugo=multicam. multicam=poop IMO I have an ACU setup and love it. People say there is no accounting for taste... I should know i like ACU and Auscam, just wait till i get some digital Auscam!

For your team depending on thier budget I would suggest Woodlands, being cheap and eveywhere. If you have alot of cash to throw around i would get somthing off the wall like say... Danish M84.

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February 28th, 2006, 22:46	#1
Aaidin Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Abbotsford, BC	Team Gear Hey everyone, my Airsoft team is getting underway and we're having a really rough time looking for some uniforms. At first we wanted OD's but after researching I discovered they aren't very effective as camo, especially not when compared to CADPAT and other new camo. CADPAT unfourtunately is too focused on a certain type of terrain. We're looking for some sort 'all around' camo (anywhere from Forests is BC to Urban/Indoor areas). The closest thing I've found is the Propper ACU BDU's found here: http://www.botac.com/propperarmyacu.html. I really like the look and idea of them and was wondering if anyone had any practical experience with them? Is there any other similar camo that people like? I'm fairly new at this, as is my whole team so any help would be much appreciated. Also, what color TAC-gear would you recommend with such camo? I'd go for black, but it's hard to say.

February 28th, 2006, 22:58	#4
Mr_Steezy Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Markham, ON	It looks like Multicam would be a good all around camo. __________________ M.arkham I.surgent A.irsofters

February 28th, 2006, 23:09	#5
666 Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto, Ontario	You will be spotted in matter of seconds wearing ACU in the woods. At least it didn't take me long to spot people wearing that stuff. OD is actually not as bad as you think since camo is just an additional tool to ones skills. OD is pretty universal, works as long as there is some green vegitation around you. In my opinion, out of all types of camo I've used DPM and fleck works the best. __________________ Op Woodsman. Biggest WW2 event in Ontario.

February 28th, 2006, 22:48	#2
-Skeletor- Guest Trader rating	ACU isn't that great in the woods IMO CADPAT works great in most wooded areas. I'd recemmend Woodland or DPM though. If you want a Digital Cam still, I'd go for MARPAT. Don't use black LBE, etc. Go for green or a camo that matches your uniform if thats what you want.

February 28th, 2006, 23:09	#6
Eddie Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Surrey, BC	DPM is the British Woodland.

February 28th, 2006, 23:12	#7
SKI Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mississauga	DPM is the British style pattern. The problem is that there is no such thing as an all around camo. As far as I'm concerned, an all around camo is a comprimise . I would suggest picking a pattern that you feel comfortable in the bush with. Indoors, it doesn't really matter what you wear. Most indoor fields are dimly lit and it's not easy making out different camo patterns anyway. If you need something for winter, invest in winter whites. They are cheap to purchase at surplus stores. You wear them over your clothes so it doesn't matter what you have on underneath. The multicam is fairly unique but I think that eventualy it will be fairly common when prices start to drop a little more. __________________ www.ctmotorsports.ca

February 28th, 2006, 23:36	#9
Batman Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cloverdale, BC	Multicam sucks ass out in BC, except for very few areas. believe me I had enough of the stuff. Best camos in BC, Flecktarn, British or Dutch DPM, Woodland and Marpat. Cadpat is also very effective in the summer. __________________ Jason - Batman Bad Karma - Pacific region "Fast is slow, slow is quick, quick is smooth"

February 28th, 2006, 23:38	#10
Aaidin Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Abbotsford, BC	Thanks everyone for your help. I just have one last question. If the ACU is so inferior in the woods why is the US army adopting it as the official uniform? Is it because they only fight in deserts/urban environments these days and the ACU works fine there? I did note that the ACU pattern looks lighter than I thought it was in most pictures. So I can kind of see why it wouldn't be great in the woods. Still, it just seems odd to me that they'd use it officially if it's no good, ah well, you people have more experience than I do so I'll trust you I suppose. I will say personally that multicam seems to deserty and dry to play with in BC, a lot of dense forests and dark browns etc...here and the multicam seems a bit more 'arid' than that. Flecktarn might work well, I'll have to take a closer look at that as well. Also, out of curiousity anyone got pics of ACU in action? I searched a bit on google and couldn't find any. Please keep the comments coming! It's super helpful!

March 1st, 2006, 00:14	#13
Batman Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cloverdale, BC	here is a High Res pic of the 82nd Airborne in theater using ACUs. also, coyote, tan, khaki or ACU gear works best over ACU http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3...istan111yu.jpg __________________ Jason - Batman Bad Karma - Pacific region "Fast is slow, slow is quick, quick is smooth"

March 1st, 2006, 00:42	#15
SockMonkey Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Vancouver	Camo is like cars, you like Chev or Ford? now they perform close but there are differences. Then there are ugos... ugo=multicam. multicam=poop IMO I have an ACU setup and love it. People say there is no accounting for taste... I should know i like ACU and Auscam, just wait till i get some digital Auscam! For your team depending on thier budget I would suggest Woodlands, being cheap and eveywhere. If you have alot of cash to throw around i would get somthing off the wall like say... Danish M84.

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