G36C upgrade - opinions needed

[Pedro888]

Hi all,

I am trying to get as much feedback on this upgrade kit since there is alot of G36C in our group that will upgrade.

Thanks in advance for your feedback.

The plan (not fully decided yet):
- Guarder full tune up kit (FTK-36)
- Guarder hop bucking
- Prometheus 6.03 EG barrel for G36C (247 mm)

Note: I was oriented by some people of my team on some Systema/Prometheus parts (instead of Guarder) but it seems difficult to get all the matching parts from them. They still have not come up with a Full tune up kit .

Let me know!
Thanks

[Kid]

Systema makes a full tune up kits. They also make full mechboxes, from 100 high speed to 150 high torque.

You could always add a silencer and a longer barrel... 247 is somewhat short:P

[Drake]

Do you really feel the need for a FTK?

Unless you're doing a massive power upgrade, it's kinda overkill. Although you're listing FTK-36, which has an SP120 spring, which is over a system M120 or PDI170% spring... which pretty much makes your gun too hot for most fields. You sure this is what you want? Especially in a G36C... thats kinda messed, imo.

I suggest figuring exactly what you want to achieve first, and then figuring what you need to get there, and getting just that.

[Pedro888]

Originally Posted by Kid

Systema makes a full tune up kits. They also make full mechboxes, from 100 high speed to 150 high torque.

You could always add a silencer and a longer barrel... 247 is somewhat short:P

I have checked the Systema website and others and they do not make a full tune up kit for TM G36C. As for the longer barrel I do agree I'm hesitating and wait for a silencer thus longer inner barrel... :wink:

Do you really feel the need for a FTK?

Actually maybe not but I can get a FTK from Guarder cheaper than the Systema parts I need. So my question is: why not! :tup:

Thanks for your feedback guys! Keep the comments coming!
Pat

[Pedro888]

Originally Posted by Drake

Unless you're doing a massive power upgrade, it's kinda overkill. Although you're listing FTK-36, which has an SP120 spring, which is over a system M120 or PDI170% spring... which pretty much makes your gun too hot for most fields. You sure this is what you want? Especially in a G36C... thats kinda messed, imo.

Worst case for the FPS limit I can always put on a velocity reducer. And another option is buying a AEG for interior and winter games that is not upgraded.

Pat

[Greylocks]

So you are going to toss more cash and get a velocity reducer when the simplest upgrades should cost you less than $50?
If I do a velocity check on a gun, I do it without the reducer attached. If it's over 400fps; no game. Why? Because that thing can be forgotten at home one day.

A safe gun is a safe gun. You want range and accuracy, not risks to other players.

Read the upgrade guides posted here again. Your wallet and your fellow players will thank you later.

[vondnik]

metal bushing
guarder sp110 or sp100, systema m100, m120. top power 150 or 170....
shims
qualified labor

and that's about all you need....

Tighbore barrel is an aftertought...

systema is no longer making FTK kits for any guns. They have started producing fully pre-upgraded boxes instead.

[Malfrat]

Ne fait pas la même erreur que moi l'été dernier. J'avais installé un PDI 170 dans mon G36 ce qui me donnait 414 FPS. J'ai du par la suite me procurer un reducer pour être en règle sur les terrains. Ce fut très bon pour une couple de parties mais la membrane intérieur s'use beaucoup trop vite et tu vas devoir te racheter un autre reducer. Anyway, aucun terrain te laissera jouer avec un FPS plus élevé que 400 alors je ne vois pas le but de la chose. J'ai remarqué également qu'avec un FPS près de 400 et +, les BB's (.25) semblent flottés dans l'air. C'est difficile Ã* expliquer par écrit mais crois moi, j'en ai tiré en masse pour être certain de ce que je te dis.

Mon conseil se raproche beaucoup de Vondnik. PDI 150 ou bien un M120 qui te donnera environ 385 FPS, bushing, shim, guide de sprind avec bearing, tête de piston avec bearing. Pour les buckings, je te déconseille fortement les Guarder. J'ai eu beaucoup de problèmes avec eux. Ils sont trop "épaix" et ça affecte l'ajustement. Je préfère utiliser les Systema ou encore mieux les Marui. J'ai également installé un 6.03 de 247 mm. J'ai remarqué très peu de changement, Ã* toi de voir.

Je serai lÃ* dimanche Ã* votre game. Si tu veux on en jasera plus.

[bruce]

If you guys can afford the FTKs, go for it. I run Systema FTKs in 6 of my Armalites and I have 7 of them. One is a stock G&G LR300. I also use the KM tightbores 6.04mm inner barrels in most of them. 2 have the Prometheus inner barrels which I don't like as much as the KM. IMO, doing a basic upgrade with metal bushing, shims, bearing spring guide and upgraded spring will not be as good as a FTK upgrade. I do that for some friends and it shows that their guns are not quite as good as mine in terms of FPS and accuracy.

I can't say much about the Guarder FTKs because I have never seen or tried them. Prometheus gears looks great, but I still have to try them out in one of my guns. If you have to order separate parts from different companies to get the best out there, you should do that. I'm just too lazy. :lol:

I run PDI 150% springs in my guns also. I will try the Prometheus line of springs one day when I have to replace the PDIs.

Originally Posted by Greylocks

If I do a velocity check on a gun, I do it without the reducer attached. If it's over 400fps; no game. Why? Because that thing can be forgotten at home one day.

lamo
so anyone playing with a gun that shoots a safe velocity with a reducer on still cant play? lol

reality is(and I know because I still play at different fields), that if your gun is +400fps, some places dont mind. even slightly over 400fps, some dont make a big deal. Tightbore with a PDI 170% can often result in 400fps +-5fps to 10fps....and alot of the time, 405fps is acceptable for field admin. In the event that it is to high, I have never seen someone put on a reducer and be turned away. Some fields like to chrony every game.

Bottom line, you show up the a field with a hot gun, a velocity reducer will allow you to play. The rules are 400fps and below, there is no "before or after attachments".

stay safe, aim for 390fps

Originally Posted by bruce

I run PDI 150% springs in my guns also.

Ah, so do I, but I got a wonky PDI 150% that could hit 460fps. Took alot of work to get it down to safe levels.

[bruce]

Yeah, I think most of the bad PDI 150% spring came from UN Company. I got mine a few years back and it's all good. 395-400fps on all my Armalites.

[Pedro888]

So if I try to summarize except for the spring to maybe aim more on an SP110 instead of SP120 (and hop bucking to go with TM) everything else seems to make sense.

Thanks for the input guys. Much appreciated.

Pat

[CDN_Stalker]

Get the Guarder clear hop up and bucking, it's VERY good, enough that I run mine in my MP5 and M24, and recommend it 100%. Airsoft Kelowna sells them for $10 each.

you dont really need to drop to the 110, the 120 will do fine, be a bit close to 400, but its what alot of people do.

[.:Seaforth:.]

what about the Hurricane FTK that should be just fine for what i think you are trying to achieve. Thats what im getting that and i think some metal busshings and possibly a tightbore later the FTK is only like $90.00 for the G36C