Geardo's, if you don't mind? Help building a quick kit.

[Shugart]

Long read, but it would really help.

Load out
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Ca870 x 5 Mags (1 loaded)
Para x 2 mags (1 loaded)

Kit
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For camo, i'm pretty settled on CADPAT pants. My Upper doesn't matter so much, but I'll get to that later*.

For webbing, this is the tricky part. I've looked at the sniper belt by HSGI (http://www.optactical.com/snwa.html), it doesn't look to be "enough". I'm willing to sacrifice some mobilty for the ability to carry a bit of stuff with me on the field. I was thinking M1965 suspenders, but I'm afraid they'll bounce around to much. I want it to be tight aorund my waist. I want everything centerd around my waist, but not too bulky. I'm looking to carry small things, water bottles, socks, BB's, and maybe a knife. Its also gotta hold the mags for the two guns, and a holster (if I have too, i'll go for a thigh holster, but I would much prefer one by the hip).

For Gloves, I was looking at those Naval assualt gloves (http://www.blackhawk.com/product_det...uct_id=2835&d=) by backhawk. They look really nice, but i've heard to many bad things about there gloves. If I get a full finger set, I would prefer it nice and uniform, as close to those as possible. Somone on these boards sent me a link for them once, but I can't find it.

Mic Set up, I really want a throat mic, and the ISAUS ones seem to get good reviews. If you have other ideas for "quiet communications, by all means throw it my way.

Boots, I find the CF issues ok. Would prefer something better, in a tactical look, but don't wanna spend a fortune.

*The tricky bit. For this particular kit, I wanna set up a cape, or hood, or something. Essentially this: http://www.german-cinema.de/app/film..._the_gates.jpg

But if possible, in CADPAT camo. I've sent inquries to a few people that make gear, but never really any clear answers. I'm pretty sure I have to get it custom made, but I have no idea who to ask. I'd prefer it made to military speck, so it can withstand abuse.

Reason
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I wanna create a scout role, in what I personally think would work best. Its meant to be made for moving fast. The cape is what I think will really make this kit work best. Its a full CADPAT colouring over everything, and really breaks up your image, but its not a heavy ghille suite in which one must move slowly.

Budget
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The kits gonna be built in stages, and I'm not looking to spend more than 500$ for the gear and cape, and another 300$ for everything else. I'd prefer not to spend over 500$ in total, but I'm flexiable.


Thanks for any help.

[SKI]

As far as the cape is concerned, why don't you purchase a cadpat personal camo. It's a pretty good size and has holes in it allowing some cooling. I don't think it's as big as that "cape" but you could always pick up a couple and have them sewn together. If you're interested, PM me.

[Kwokwai]

The only downside to the personal camo is that I believe that it'll easily snag on brush and such. Perhaps lining it with some CADPAT cloth? Not Cordura; the stuff the uniforms are made of or perhaps make the entire thing out of uniform/BDU materials?

Can somebody please pipe up about the personal camo's durability as I've never handled one outside of the sealed packet?

[Mysteryfish]

If you're worried about snagging, what I'm going to suggest won't work for you, but that being said:

I'm not sure what it's called, or where else to get them, but at Dave's (here in new-west), they sell what is basically a mesh poncho, in Cadpat.

It's extremely breathable, does a great job turning you into a "moss-pile" looking blob, has an adjustable hood, and rolls up into a remarkably small package, considering it's unfolded size.

Not as stylish as the flowing cape per se, but pretty slick nevertheless. Although, I do think it's intended to be carried around and used when needed, rather than worn all the time (there being the snagging concern)

If you want, I'll see if I can't find a direct link to the product, or at least get more info.

** after re-reading your post, it sounds like this thing is pretty much what you're looking for. I don't know if it's the same as the "cadpat personal camo", because there's no lining, just mesh (somewhere in the ballpark of half-centimetre squares), in a tough-ish material. It's kindof "Ghillie-light", and when I saw it immediately thought "scout... not sniper".

I'll look for a good link.

*** Found it. Now all you have to do is find a place to get one:

http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/cacpo1nx.html

since the picture doesn't really describe it otherwise, when it's unfolded, and I'm wearing it, it's not far off the ground (I'm about 5'-7"), and it's closed loops that you put your arms through (imagine a large front rectangle, and a large back rectangle, fixed at a point about mid-way down on both sides).

It's easy to get in and out of, and the holes are actually large enough to put your gun through, if you wanted to. Gear would easily fit over or under, and it's quick to put on and off.

Hope that helps!

[SKI]

That looks like it's made from the same material as the personal camo. I would say that it's two of the nets and a hood sewn in.

[Mysteryfish]

Ah, well... I wasn't sure, but it's worth mentioning, if you can excuse the material.

It says nylon, I think...

It is basically two sheets, sewn across the top with a hood, and sewn once to make arm-holes and flaps on the sides.

Maybe the one I saw at Dave's Surplus was a different make, because I remember it being more "Meshy" than material with small holes in it...

I'm off class at noon today. If I'm feeling like a drive, I'll cruise out before I head home today and check for sure.

[odp]

You might be better off going with a modular belt instead of the sniper waist pack, as it won't carry your 870 mags well.

I would suggest the Blackwater I/O belt with pouches better suited for the 870 mags - maybe TT small utilities? (there are some floating around, in cadpat)

HSGI suspenders would probably go well with that.

[Farmboy]

The HSGI sniper belt is a pretty neat set up, I have sold quite a few of them.

In your case though I would suggest a hydration pack/back pack, it would be more suited to what your looking to do, with the running and such.

http://www.oneshottactical.com/merch...tegory_Code=HY

Your "cape" could also be rolled up and attached to the top of the pack keeping it out of the way unless needed.

[Shugart]

The Poncho and Personal Camo, sound interesting, but I have two problems with the Poncho specificaly.

1. My gun would really stand out across my chest. If it came down to a tense situation where I really needed to cover up fast, that would mean putting my gun somewhere that wasn't at the ready.

2. I would prefer all my gear stays under the cape, and with the poncho that would mean if i ever had to access anything, I'd actually have to lift it up and go under, which could make quick reloading a bitch.

However, not is all lost with that poncho. I have two ideas right now. Either I take that poncho and modifie it into a cap form (sew the arm holes, and open up the middle). Or, grab a wack of CADPAT material, and sew it over the Russian Cape.

Snagging would create a huge issue that I don't wanna have to deal with in the brush, so I think covering the Russian Cape would probably be the best, as there wouldn't be a lot for brush to actually grab onto as it would be pretty smooth. However, the Russian capes are meant for bad weather, so I'm assuming it would be hot as hell in summer.

That I/O belt looks to be exactly what I need, but its a tad pricey for just a belt. (considering I can get a whole m1965 set for about the same price as just the belt). Depending on how much the cape runs me, I might pick it up with the proper pouches.

Thanks everyone for the info, and please by all means, keep it comming.

EDIT: @ Farmboy. That Pack looks really good but I need all my ammo, and my side arm to be in quick reach. Though, it would take a lot of crap that I don't really need in combat off my belt. Thanks.

[odp]

The sniper waist pack will definately not suit your needs.

Having owned both a sniper waist pack and a CA870, I am sure that the mags would easily fall out of the mag pouches if you tried to use them. The only good place to store them would be in the zippered cleaning kit portion, which is tough to get to.

You could try putting them in the rope-storage area of the waist pack, but you might as well tie a sock around your waist and use that.

[Mysteryfish]

I checked out the poncho at the shop today. It does appear to be as in that website. So it's not mesh, but it is very breathable and lightweight.

Shugart, I totally see your point about it getting a bit in the way.

Best way to find out would be to try it. It does have ample room as the arm holes are huge, so you wouldn't really have to lift and go under...

(I tried. I made a little exercise out of sweeping my arm in to grab a magazine, and back out without much trouble)

... but I really like your idea of opening it at the front to throw over yourself.

As for snagging... yeah. That's tough. Maybe stick with the cape 8)

[Shugart]

@ Mysteryfish.

I figure it wouldn't be any harm to try. And the best part is if it doesn't really work, I can try and fashion some sort of hood, and work from there.


Double Edit: I found exactly what I'm looking for.

http://www.sgc-bdms.net/airsoft/tenu...ansniper01.jpg
http://www.sgc-bdms.net/airsoft/tenu...ansniper06.jpg
http://www.sgc-bdms.net/airsoft/tenu...ansniper03.jpg

Are there any reviews on that patterns effectiveness? It looks as though it would be way to dark. But maybe thats just the lighting. Any info would be great.

EDIT: For the belt, I found this http://www.russiancombatgear.com/pro...em_(Splav).php. That with a comfortable set of suspenders looks like it might work.

Anyone know if there any good?

[Mysteryfish]

Well, the cheapest method of checking it out would be to buy a bit of really cheap material in two big rectangles, and sew it into the poncho shape.

(sans hood, you don't really need it for the testing phase)

If it sucks, or if the open front works better, either way it's a cheap experiment that saves you getting the cadpat material first...

And the best part is its probably not even necessary to sew it. If you found a big enough sheet you could just fold it over, cut a neck hole, and use one safety pin on each side to test the fit.

:cheers:

I like the way your kit sounds. I was inspired, so I went to the surplus shop and put together a $350 wish list... sigh. Even that seems insurmountable right now.

Anyways...

Good luck.

[Seaforth72nd]

I would recommend the Tactical Tailor padded PALS belt. Low drag, all the way. Couple that with the HSGI suspenders, a couple of double mag pouches, or single mag shingles, a pistol shingle, and a small utility, and you have a nice peice of first line belt kit.

[Ghillie973]

Have you thought of using a Tracker ghillie poncho?

I know you didn't want a ghillie cause you didn't want it to snag on anything but if you want camo this would be the best. A cape will break up your outline but it will still be a 2D object. I personnally think a big square of cadpat will stand out in nature.