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DSFD506 · August 1st, 2007, 06:25

I've had my psg-1 for several years now and just had it upgraded it last year. I had a 160% spring, air nozzle, spring guide, and the shop threw in the gears for free. Shot 402fps on the chrono. I'm wantin to install that new 400% Systema spring. Is there more than one gear set for the psg-1 ? Will a 10.8v battery be sufficient enuff or will I need a 12v ?

ILLusion · August 1st, 2007, 06:28

There's only one gear set for the PSG-1.

You will need a 12v, unless you go with a custom sub-C pack. In which case, you *may* be able to get by with 10.8v.

Regardless of what battery pack you use, you will require a high torque motor to crank that beast of a spring.

DSFD506 · August 1st, 2007, 06:34

That's what I was thinking. The tech that did my upgrade didn't tell me anything about the gears except he had them laying around the shop and gave them to me for free. I was planning on using that new Magnum motor. Is there anyway the wiring can run to the front foregrip ? I attached a ris rail from my m4 to the foregrip and was gonna use a 12v battery in one of those PEQ Laser boxes. This sound like a good idea ?

Greylocks · August 1st, 2007, 09:55

Since you dont say where you are... you might want to check local laws, and local field rules, before you upgrade an airsoft gun to such an usafe gaming level.

You will also face, in a hurry, a lot of failures with the gun from the extreme stress the spring will place on the mechbox and entire system.

Cushak · August 1st, 2007, 10:01

You can fit a 12V into the stock, it just has to be built into it. That'd probably be easiest, and keep your gun from getting tooo front heavy.

Skruface · August 1st, 2007, 14:35

Why not go with LiPo? You can get an 11.4v pack that will run rings around any conventional NiCd/NiMH pack, and it will fit in the stock with no modifications. It will also have NO problem pulling a huge spring, especially if you replace the motor with a Systema Magnum.

Styrak · August 1st, 2007, 15:38

Except it might explode :0

ILLusion · August 1st, 2007, 15:40

If you upgrade to that velocity, you HAVE to install a MOSFET or you'll burn holes in to your switch plate and mechanical trigger contacts. No joke. You'll kill it in less than 100 shots.

I've fit 12v batteries in the stock before, but it was only 1500mAh A cell.

As for wiring to the front, where there's a will, there's a way. It shouldn't be hard to find the space you need to get to the front - even if it means snaking from outside of the receiver.

Skruface, can LiPo handle the extreme high current draw that a setup like this requires? I'm not too familiar with LiPo's, but I think I read something a while ago saying that LiPo weren't too safe with high current draw applications. I could be completely wrong on that, though.
If you plan to go that route, just make sure you do your research...

Skruface · August 1st, 2007, 16:29

You can get new generation high quality LiPo with 20C constant and 50C peak discharge rates now. Some of these suckers (the big ones - 4000mAh and up) can push 100 amps without breaking a sweat. And since it's protected inside the stock, there's almost 0% chance of catastrophic damage to cause the cells to explode. The only potential for danger is overcharging, which won't happen if you use a decent balancing charger, and stay near the charger at all times.

Personally, I only charge LiPo outside. I have a concrete pad in my back yard I put the battery/charger on, and I keep an eye on it while I prep dinner on the BBQ.

SSJChar · August 1st, 2007, 17:42

I know in rc car racing, alot of the lipo users charge their batts in a glass mayonaise container with vent holes at the top. it'll contain any sort of fire and the vent holes will allow it to not explode in a glory of glass and fire.
i also remember a thread on an rc forum that was many pages long. it was for an rc heli section and the it was like a servey of peoples lipo experiences. turned out there was actually very very few experiences of lipo fires/failures. for the bad charging experiences, something always was wrong before the charge that made it happen, like the charger would give a warning, but the user ignored it, the charger was at the wrong setting(human error), or else the pack was already damaged or looked damaged. as for bad lipos during flight, it was almost always due to a very hard impact where the lipo was hit hard or was punctured.
nicd and nimh batteries also have failure and some would prefer lipo fires to nimh explosions though like the nimh failures, it was almost always due to bad charging. a nimh battery will actually explode and could easily hurt someone very badly. there was a case at a race where they left a pack to charge in a trailer alone when one of the cells exploded. the actual cell shot like a bullet and hit a piece of plywood. i believe it went right through and left a subc sized hole in it. locally, one of the rc car racers actually had a 7.2v subc pack go bad and so he took it, ran out side and put it on the ground. seconds later one of the cells exploded and the pack shot straight up into the air. when it came back down another cell exploded and it did it again.
so all in all, all batteries can be dangerous, but if treated well and bought from a good company, nothing wrong should happen.

DSFD506 · August 1st, 2007, 22:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greylocks

Since you dont say where you are... you might want to check local laws, and local field rules, before you upgrade an airsoft gun to such an usafe gaming level.

You will also face, in a hurry, a lot of failures with the gun from the extreme stress the spring will place on the mechbox and entire system.

I'm in the US so high FPS isn't a problem. Around here we don't have any airsoft fields...just my friends and I meet at our houses. More than likely gonna just go with a 300% spring. I know that 400% just came out and no one has probably had any field testing with it yet.

Greylocks · August 2nd, 2007, 01:00

I've seen a PSG1 with a 300% spring. It was on the repair bench more often that on the field. If you want really high power from an airsoft gun, go with a bolt action sniper type rifle.

If you have never done this before, dont expect wonders in accuracy compared to anything else you may have shot in the past.

Since you are in the US, please complete your profile to avoid future guesswork and confusion about what is legal or not.

My call? I think you are looking at wasting a severe amount of money for very little gain.

DSFD506 · August 2nd, 2007, 02:55

Yeah seems like everyone has said to stay away from them but i've had nothing but happiness out of mine. I may just up the spring from my 160 to a 200 and add a tightbore barrel.

Skruface · August 2nd, 2007, 09:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSFD506

Yeah seems like everyone has said to stay away from them but i've had nothing but happiness out of mine. I may just up the spring from my 160 to a 200 and add a tightbore barrel.

Check out Dee's Custom 6.01 tightbore:

http://www.deescustoms.com/prod_custom-barrels.html

DSFD506 · August 3rd, 2007, 00:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skruface

Check out Dee's Custom 6.01 tightbore:

http://www.deescustoms.com/prod_custom-barrels.html

Thanks Skruface but I don't see any prices or how to order.

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August 1st, 2007, 06:25	#1
DSFD506 Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: USA	PSG-1 information I've had my psg-1 for several years now and just had it upgraded it last year. I had a 160% spring, air nozzle, spring guide, and the shop threw in the gears for free. Shot 402fps on the chrono. I'm wantin to install that new 400% Systema spring. Is there more than one gear set for the psg-1 ? Will a 10.8v battery be sufficient enuff or will I need a 12v ?

August 1st, 2007, 06:28	#2
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	There's only one gear set for the PSG-1. You will need a 12v, unless you go with a custom sub-C pack. In which case, you may be able to get by with 10.8v. Regardless of what battery pack you use, you will require a high torque motor to crank that beast of a spring. __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

August 1st, 2007, 15:38	#7
Styrak Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Saskatoon, SK	Except it might explode :0 __________________ Airsoft Sales and Repair/Upgrade Services

August 1st, 2007, 06:34	#3
DSFD506 Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: USA	That's what I was thinking. The tech that did my upgrade didn't tell me anything about the gears except he had them laying around the shop and gave them to me for free. I was planning on using that new Magnum motor. Is there anyway the wiring can run to the front foregrip ? I attached a ris rail from my m4 to the foregrip and was gonna use a 12v battery in one of those PEQ Laser boxes. This sound like a good idea ?

August 1st, 2007, 09:55	#4
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	Since you dont say where you are... you might want to check local laws, and local field rules, before you upgrade an airsoft gun to such an usafe gaming level. You will also face, in a hurry, a lot of failures with the gun from the extreme stress the spring will place on the mechbox and entire system.

August 1st, 2007, 10:01	#5
Cushak Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Saskatoon/Moose Jaw	You can fit a 12V into the stock, it just has to be built into it. That'd probably be easiest, and keep your gun from getting tooo front heavy.

August 1st, 2007, 15:40	#8
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	If you upgrade to that velocity, you HAVE to install a MOSFET or you'll burn holes in to your switch plate and mechanical trigger contacts. No joke. You'll kill it in less than 100 shots. I've fit 12v batteries in the stock before, but it was only 1500mAh A cell. As for wiring to the front, where there's a will, there's a way. It shouldn't be hard to find the space you need to get to the front - even if it means snaking from outside of the receiver. Skruface, can LiPo handle the extreme high current draw that a setup like this requires? I'm not too familiar with LiPo's, but I think I read something a while ago saying that LiPo weren't too safe with high current draw applications. I could be completely wrong on that, though. If you plan to go that route, just make sure you do your research... __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

August 1st, 2007, 17:42	#10
SSJChar Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Saskatoon	I know in rc car racing, alot of the lipo users charge their batts in a glass mayonaise container with vent holes at the top. it'll contain any sort of fire and the vent holes will allow it to not explode in a glory of glass and fire. i also remember a thread on an rc forum that was many pages long. it was for an rc heli section and the it was like a servey of peoples lipo experiences. turned out there was actually very very few experiences of lipo fires/failures. for the bad charging experiences, something always was wrong before the charge that made it happen, like the charger would give a warning, but the user ignored it, the charger was at the wrong setting(human error), or else the pack was already damaged or looked damaged. as for bad lipos during flight, it was almost always due to a very hard impact where the lipo was hit hard or was punctured. nicd and nimh batteries also have failure and some would prefer lipo fires to nimh explosions though like the nimh failures, it was almost always due to bad charging. a nimh battery will actually explode and could easily hurt someone very badly. there was a case at a race where they left a pack to charge in a trailer alone when one of the cells exploded. the actual cell shot like a bullet and hit a piece of plywood. i believe it went right through and left a subc sized hole in it. locally, one of the rc car racers actually had a 7.2v subc pack go bad and so he took it, ran out side and put it on the ground. seconds later one of the cells exploded and the pack shot straight up into the air. when it came back down another cell exploded and it did it again. so all in all, all batteries can be dangerous, but if treated well and bought from a good company, nothing wrong should happen.

August 2nd, 2007, 01:00	#12
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	I've seen a PSG1 with a 300% spring. It was on the repair bench more often that on the field. If you want really high power from an airsoft gun, go with a bolt action sniper type rifle. If you have never done this before, dont expect wonders in accuracy compared to anything else you may have shot in the past. Since you are in the US, please complete your profile to avoid future guesswork and confusion about what is legal or not. My call? I think you are looking at wasting a severe amount of money for very little gain.

August 2nd, 2007, 02:55	#13
DSFD506 Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: USA	Yeah seems like everyone has said to stay away from them but i've had nothing but happiness out of mine. I may just up the spring from my 160 to a 200 and add a tightbore barrel. Last edited by DSFD506; August 2nd, 2007 at 07:02..

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