CA to release new M14's and get this... plastic bodied M15A4's....

[Ace of Spades©]

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I don't get why they are going to devolve their M15A4 line by starting to make two models without metal bodies.

And Id still take a TM M14 over a CA any day, though they are looking really nice.

[HaZarD SFD]

The CA M14 is almost an exact copy of the G&G.. just a hint of warning.

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by Ace of Spades

I don't get why they are going to devolve their M15A4 line by starting to make two models without metal bodies.

It's possible they're trying to get a share of the current Cyma-UTG-ECHO1-JG-KART-A&K-etc AEG market. CA metal guns are already significantly cheaper than same model TM guns, so I'd imagine plastic CA guns would be even cheaper.

[Donster]

Thanks for the heads up on the CA M14s, i didn't know they were that bad. are all CA guns like that, or just a few? Specifically, how are the G36 series?

[HaZarD SFD]

The G36 series isnt bad.. just with CA replace the piston to solve most if not all of your worries when upgrading. other than that stock they run fine.. especially the G36K

[Donster]

Originally Posted by HaZarD SFD

The G36 series isnt bad.. just with CA replace the piston to solve most if not all of your worries when upgrading. other than that stock they run fine.. especially the G36K

k good to know, thanks. i really wanted the M14, but i dont want the hassle of replacing all the internals. Its too bad TM couldn't have CA exterior quality =(

[Omi-san]

Originally Posted by HaZarD SFD

The G36 series isnt bad.. just with CA replace the piston to solve most if not all of your worries when upgrading. other than that stock they run fine.. especially the G36K

...and they use mustard as gear grease. I opened my G36k mechbox yesterday and it was full of that mostly dry yellow grease. Took forever to wipe it off the gears and reversal latch.

I was surprised to find the yellow piston still intact after nearly 1000 shots though. While my g36k fires at least 340fps, the spring was also surprisingly weak.

[Donster]

so then should i purchase a CA G36c or a TM G36c?

[Omi-san]

As far as I know...

The TM G36c has better internals parts.

The CA g36c has a better finish which looks more like the real thing and less like plastic (according to most people).

If you plan to upgrade the internal anyway, you might as well go CA.

[Donster]

Originally Posted by Omi-san

As far as I know...

The TM G36c has better internals parts.

The CA g36c has a better finish which looks more like the real thing and less like plastic (according to most people).

If you plan to upgrade the internal anyway, you might as well go CA.

well i DO plan on upgrading the internals, but what exactly else is crap albout the CA guns? piston? is that it? cause i might as well just go all CA if that is the only thing that truly needs to be replaced quickly. Is it easier to replace internal on the CA or to replace the exterior on the TM?

[Ace of Spades©]

Tappet plate is SHIT on the CA SCAR series, although, they may have fixed it. Less then 1000 rounds thought and it breaks in 2 spots.

Don't kid your self about "TM couldn't have CA exterior quality". The TM externals are just as good, if not better then those of the CA. I had a M14 Socom for a few months and the body felts great. Besides, in todays world, there is a large amount of stocks you can chose from to swap with the stock one if it does not please you. Hell, Redwolf even has MC-tech Multicam stocks for sale for 150$ USD.

[Donster]

Originally Posted by Ace of Spades

Tappet plate is SHIT on the CA SCAR series, although, they may have fixed it. Less then 1000 rounds thought and it breaks in 2 spots.

Don't kid your self about "TM couldn't have CA exterior quality". The TM externals are just as good, if not better then those of the CA. I had a M14 Socom for a few months and the body felts great. Besides, in todays world, there is a large amount of stocks you can chose from to swap with the stock one if it does not please you. Hell, Redwolf even has MC-tech Multicam stocks for sale for 150$ USD.

so you're saying just stick with TM because they have better internals and just replace the exterior of the TM guns cause more than likely, the exterior parts i will buy will be better than the CA's externals. Or do i have it wrong?

Quick side question: Can the TM G36c take the extra-long nylon-fiber handguards as made by companies such as Star?

[Omi-san]

Originally Posted by DONSTER 125

well i DO plan on upgrading the internals, but what exactly else is crap albout the CA guns? piston? is that it? cause i might as well just go all CA if that is the only thing that truly needs to be replaced quickly. Is it easier to replace internal on the CA or to replace the exterior on the TM?

The CA piston has a bad rep. My G36K hop-up missed the bucking. On the other hand, CA G36 serie comes with reinforced mechbox and gears (or at least made from a better metal than TM's) and 7mm metal bushings.

There is nothing wrong with the exterior of the TM g36c, it's just the texture and color of the plastic that some people don't like.

If you care about trademarks, TM has the the H&K logo, but you still see "Electric Air Gun" written right next to it.

I'm pretty sure STAR g36 parts are compatible with TM, but if you want the long handguard, maybe you should get a G36 instead of g36c.

[Donster]

Originally Posted by Omi-san

The CA piston has a bad rep. My G36K hop-up missed the bucking. On the other hand, CA G36 serie comes with reinforced mechbox and gears (or at least made from a better metal than TM's) and 7mm metal bushings.

There is nothing wrong with the exterior of the TM g36c, it's just the texture and color of the plastic that some people don't like.

If you care about trademarks, TM has the the H&K logo, but you still see "Electric Air Gun" written right next to it.

I'm pretty sure STAR g36 parts are compatible with TM, but if you want the long handguard, maybe you should get a G36 instead of g36c.

k that sounds good. Basically, if i get an M14, im going with TM and if i get a G36, i still dont know whether or not to go with TM or CA. CA, like you said, has a good gearbox and great externals, but if i am going to put a higher spring in my gun, i will need to upgrade the bushings and stuff anyway. As for the G36c, i heard that i can add any upgrades to it, thus i can make a G36c into a G36. That being said, i think it would be better to go with TM cause they have he better internals than CA and then just get all the CA quality (or better) exterior parts, such as those made by STAR. However, what is your (and i say your to the collective airsoft community) opinion on this?

!!!EDIT!!!
I was looking at the Mechbox.com site with regards to springs. They recommend to instal reinforced gears and metal bushings on TM guns if i want to shoot at around 390 (but below 400 fps). However, on the 007 site, the upgrade package required to make your gun shoot 390 also includes a new piston and fuse in one case, and the "advanced option" has the same stuff, but with a reinforced gearbox. My question is whether or not i actually need all this stuff, or can i just follow the advice on the mechbox.com site? Thanks!

[Rumpel Felt]

I see some typical TM fanboyism here.

I've had a few CA guns (including G36C)....all were far beter than their TM clone by far.

TM is almost always a rip off any way you cut it. Unless it's a full metal gun anyways, avoid TM if at all possible as go CA.

TM's are also not perfect. There are just more of them....