Max or Triple Torque?

[Dusti69]

ok so im looking at two dif sets of prometheous parts sets
theyre both the same price but one is max torque and the other is triple torque. which one is stronger/more durable? like whats the difference?

[ILLusion]

Max provides more torque. Use it if you're pulling 500+fps.

Triple torque is good from 420 to 500fps.

Double torque from 360fps to 450fps.

Standard torque from stock up to 380fps.

High speed from stock to 330fps.

(Note: fps ratings are based on spring strength with 285mm or longer inner barrels. Shorter barrels will experience lower velocities and the readings above will not be correct for short barreled weapons, especially an MP5K.)

All of them will be as strong as the other one. One is not stronger than the other - they merely provide different gearing ratios.

[ThunderCactus]

Max torque gears also require a special half-tooth piston
Torque up gears are the norm, if you want a little slower rate of fire go with double or triple. The rate of fire decrease isn't alot but it does make a difference.
I use double torque ups on my M4 because it's got thicker wiring, an 8.4v 2200mah battery and a real good motor. It still fires really fast, but not as fast as it did with standard gears.

[Dusti69]

Originally Posted by ILLusion

All of them will be as strong as the other one. One is not stronger than the other - they merely provide different gearing ratios.

oh i thought by torque it meant they were stronger to withstand high voltage batteries like 11.1 lipos and strong 400+ fps springs
id like to have all the parts in that package for upgrades which the piston, metal piston head and bushings im sure would come to more than 20 bucks by themselves. and then better gears would be even more of a bonus as they are pretty expensive alone

the seller has all the types for sale. high speed, double, triple and max torque
i might end up putting a systema m120 spring in my krakens gearbox. thats where i thought the better gears, piston and piston head would be needed and it already needed a metal spring guide and then my brothers ak gearbox needs metal bushings. i thought itd be a pretty good deal for a high quality parts package

its sounding to me like maybe id be better with the double or triple sets
though i dont understand what "gearing ratios" means exactly and what effect that has on a gearbox/parts/performance

[ILLusion]

Gears have to balance their ratio to offer a mix of two properties:

1) RPM - Revolutions Per Minute. In airsoft, this translates to Rate Of Fire [ROF] and dictates how many shots you can fire given a certain amount of time.

2) Torque - Increased torque allows a motor to crank a more resistant load using the same amount of energy. It can be also looked as: Increased torque allows a motor to crank a load using a lesser amount of energy than a lower torque gear set. Lower power requirements by the motor also translates to increased battery life.
On a larger scale, reduced stress on the motor will also increase its life span.

As torque increases, RPM decreases, and vice versa. Determining which level you require is dependent on several other properties:

- The battery you are using (voltage, capacity and the cell size)
- Your motor type (make and model)
- The spring you are trying to crank.

You could say "well I'm just going to go straight for the top and get Max Torque because torque is a good thing!"
Sure. That statement would be true, if you're trying to crank a 490fps spring with a 2/3A battery pack and stock motor. You could use it to turn a stock spring as well... sure. But why spend that much extra money when you don't have to? It's beyond overkill, and your rate of fire will be affected.

To be more specific, here is a more accurate representation of which gear sets are recommended to use with which Prometheus spring. Use my spring chart to convert spring equivalents to other brands:

High Speed Gears: MS100SP , MS110SP
Genuine Torque: MS90SP, MS100SP, MS110SP
Double Torque: MS100SP, MS110SP, MS120SP, MS135SP
Triple Torque: MS110SP, MS120SP, MS135SP, MS150SP
Max Torque: MS150SP, MS170SP, MS190SP

These suggestions are based on an 8.4v power supply and stock motor. If using batteries outside of that voltage, you will need to consult with someone who knows what they're doing.

Using springs below the above recommendations is overkill, but will not harm your gearbox (except the high speed gear set - damage can occur if using weaker springs than recommended).

[Dusti69]

well its for my kraken anyway. its not really the gears themselves but the parts package that i want. its the hard piston and metal piston head and a set of metal bushings that i want the most and the price alone is cheaper than all them put together when bought seperately

but anyway. its the krakens stock motor. im running a sanyo 8.4 large type and am going to be replacing the krakens stock spring for a systema m120 spring. im thinking about going with the triple torque package and even though im not buying the package for the gears ill put the triple torque gears in there too.
is that all good? or is there problems with that idea?

[ILLusion]

No problem at all... I use to run the triple torques in a 400fps AK-47 as well.

But if I were to make one change to your choices - as per Systema's recommendation, if you're using the gun for more full auto play, choose the Systema M120S over the regular oil-tempered M120. The M120 is supposedly more suitable for single shot plinking.

I don't know why that is... there must be some characteristic difference between the oil tempered steel of the M120 versus the stainless steel of the M120S.

[Dusti69]

yes, both i and my brother shoot our aegs in semi most of the time. so it should be fine for all of that but still work ok with auto bursts when we do decide use a little auto
ive already bought the spring so its too late for that. i have no plans on buying another any time soon
for us it is: semi > auto as we shoot in semi more often since its more conservative of ammo

and im assuming the oil tempered springs are the dark colored ones and the stainless steel ones are silver.
my jg 416 has a silver spring.... the gears are shiny silver too. ive never seen gears like them before