Quick Kraken Clarification

Desmodus · January 11th, 2009, 17:51

First off, I've read just about every review on the Kraken that I could find on this site. A few questions still linger in my mind however, and I was hoping someone could give me some clarification on them if it isn't too much trouble?

1. Apparently, there are newer generations of Krakens? Whats the difference between Gen.1 and so on? Do they still dissassemble the same way as stock TM AK's? Has the FPS decreased on some?

2. I've also read that they are becoming less compatible with TM and aftermarket parts? (I seriously hope this isnt true) which parts have trouble fitting in?

Thanks in advance for the responses! Anything helps!

johjoh · January 11th, 2009, 20:09

from what IVE heard the springs were upgraded to some around 350fps (some1 mentionned out of box chrono being that)

and still from what IVE heard ad read also there still full tm compatible i think the old vers. was less compatible but i cant tell you for sure

TCLP · January 12th, 2009, 10:47

At one point the Krakens were having quality control issues it was causing the cylinders to be non compatible. But now QC seems to be back were it was. Also, I have purchased one, and it needed a few things.
A new shim job, a new cylinder head, piston head, and cylinder. It came with a ported cylinder, it needs a non ported. Guarder v3 AK cylinder heads DO NOT fit.
She got a good battery as well, but that's rare. She has been running MAG brand mags and has had good results.

So what I recommend if you get one is:
A shim job
Cylinder head
piston head
Mags
Battery
and if needed a non ported cylinder.

Desmodus · January 12th, 2009, 15:47

Thanks for the responses guys they are greatly appreciated! Can't wait to turn my kraken into a BEAST :P

Wrath144 · January 12th, 2009, 20:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCLP

It came with a ported cylinder, it needs a non ported.

Yours came with a ported cylinder? Weird. Mine didn't.

Desmodus · January 13th, 2009, 17:45

Another question just came into my head.... since the Kraken apparently shoots 370 fps out of the box... what would be the spring powering that, and would it be a "high-powered" one? a PDI 130? Reason I'm asking is that I'm putting together a parts list so I need to make sure I buy the right type of bushings.

LUTNIT · January 13th, 2009, 19:39

PDI springs = junk

Assuming it has good air seal, a Prometheus Ms110 would be around that mark. In a gun with good airseal and an M16 length barrel a Prom Ms110 can hit around 390fps, in an M4 length barrel around 360fps.

Styrak · January 13th, 2009, 20:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Con3jo

Another question just came into my head.... since the Kraken apparently shoots 370 fps out of the box... what would be the spring powering that, and would it be a "high-powered" one? a PDI 130? Reason I'm asking is that I'm putting together a parts list so I need to make sure I buy the right type of bushings.

What does spring power have anything to do with what kind of bushings you get?

There's not much difference in different bushings, get any decent brand really (but not bearing bushings).

Desmodus · January 13th, 2009, 20:29

I read a sticky on this site about upgrading that talked about certain bushings being weaker for higher powered springs. I guess I must've misunderstood, my bad.

Darklen · January 13th, 2009, 20:33

Bearings are what you might be thinking of. Ball bearing type bushings are designed for high rate of fire (ROF) guns but typically won't stand up to a high fps spring for long. I have plenty of remains of internals in my shop from clients who though otherwise to testify to that. High fps springs should use a good quality solid metal bushing.

Desmodus · January 13th, 2009, 21:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darklen

Bearings are what you might be thinking of. Ball bearing type bushings are designed for high rate of fire (ROF) guns but typically won't stand up to a high fps spring for long. I have plenty of remains of internals in my shop from clients who though otherwise to testify to that. High fps springs should use a good quality solid metal bushing.

Ah perfect, thanks for clearing that up Darklen.

LUTNIT · January 13th, 2009, 22:13

Even low power springs can frag bearings. My SystemA drop in complete highspeed mechbox with bearings had one blow out on me, 7mm too. Thing only shoots 320fps.

TCLP · January 14th, 2009, 10:23

I had a 2 guns shooting near 380 or more that were m4 length (363mm) w/a prometheous m110.
the Xm8 was shooting 385 average
p90 with m4 inner barrel 372 average
Both were w/ systema 6.04mm inners
You might want to try a m100 since Krakens have a 455mm inner once thats upgraded to a 6.04 or 6.03 you might be over 400 w/ a m110.

z_rampage1980 · January 23rd, 2009, 06:39

Has anyone crono'd a kracken out of the box? I did a little work on my gun (new metal body) and a thing or two. All stock! 396-402 fps.

lemegacool · January 23rd, 2009, 14:21

i chronied mine at 385fps out of the box, now he is shooting 312fps (prometheus ms90)

i bought a cyma ak74 and he also chronied 385 fps (dur to the fact that they are made at the same place

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January 11th, 2009, 17:51	#1
Desmodus Mexifaggot Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Mississauga, Ontario	Quick Kraken Clarification First off, I've read just about every review on the Kraken that I could find on this site. A few questions still linger in my mind however, and I was hoping someone could give me some clarification on them if it isn't too much trouble? 1. Apparently, there are newer generations of Krakens? Whats the difference between Gen.1 and so on? Do they still dissassemble the same way as stock TM AK's? Has the FPS decreased on some? 2. I've also read that they are becoming less compatible with TM and aftermarket parts? (I seriously hope this isnt true) which parts have trouble fitting in? Thanks in advance for the responses! Anything helps! __________________ Guardians of Asgaard - KF25 - Primaries: LCT AK74MN w/SKTBR, VFC M4 SOPMOD Block 2 Secondary: Latino heat, TM Glock 17

January 12th, 2009, 15:47	#4
Desmodus Mexifaggot Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Mississauga, Ontario	Thanks for the responses guys they are greatly appreciated! Can't wait to turn my kraken into a BEAST :P __________________ Guardians of Asgaard - KF25 - Primaries: LCT AK74MN w/SKTBR, VFC M4 SOPMOD Block 2 Secondary: Latino heat, TM Glock 17

January 13th, 2009, 17:45	#6
Desmodus Mexifaggot Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Mississauga, Ontario	Another question just came into my head.... since the Kraken apparently shoots 370 fps out of the box... what would be the spring powering that, and would it be a "high-powered" one? a PDI 130? Reason I'm asking is that I'm putting together a parts list so I need to make sure I buy the right type of bushings. __________________ Guardians of Asgaard - KF25 - Primaries: LCT AK74MN w/SKTBR, VFC M4 SOPMOD Block 2 Secondary: Latino heat, TM Glock 17 Last edited by Desmodus; January 13th, 2009 at 17:58..

January 11th, 2009, 20:09	#2
johjoh Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Ottawa	from what IVE heard the springs were upgraded to some around 350fps (some1 mentionned out of box chrono being that) and still from what IVE heard ad read also there still full tm compatible i think the old vers. was less compatible but i cant tell you for sure

January 13th, 2009, 19:39	#7
LUTNIT Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ottawa	PDI springs = junk Assuming it has good air seal, a Prometheus Ms110 would be around that mark. In a gun with good airseal and an M16 length barrel a Prom Ms110 can hit around 390fps, in an M4 length barrel around 360fps.

January 13th, 2009, 20:29	#9
Desmodus Mexifaggot Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Mississauga, Ontario	I read a sticky on this site about upgrading that talked about certain bushings being weaker for higher powered springs. I guess I must've misunderstood, my bad. __________________ Guardians of Asgaard - KF25 - Primaries: LCT AK74MN w/SKTBR, VFC M4 SOPMOD Block 2 Secondary: Latino heat, TM Glock 17

January 13th, 2009, 20:33	#10
Darklen Administrator Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Red Deer, AB	Bearings are what you might be thinking of. Ball bearing type bushings are designed for high rate of fire (ROF) guns but typically won't stand up to a high fps spring for long. I have plenty of remains of internals in my shop from clients who though otherwise to testify to that. High fps springs should use a good quality solid metal bushing. __________________ *ASC Age Verifier for Red Deer & Area Alberta*

January 13th, 2009, 22:13	#12
LUTNIT Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ottawa	Even low power springs can frag bearings. My SystemA drop in complete highspeed mechbox with bearings had one blow out on me, 7mm too. Thing only shoots 320fps.

January 23rd, 2009, 06:39	#14
z_rampage1980 Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: B.C	Has anyone crono'd a kracken out of the box? I did a little work on my gun (new metal body) and a thing or two. All stock! 396-402 fps.

January 23rd, 2009, 14:21	#15
lemegacool Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: notre dame des prairies /quebec	i chronied mine at 385fps out of the box, now he is shooting 312fps (prometheus ms90) i bought a cyma ak74 and he also chronied 385 fps (dur to the fact that they are made at the same place) __________________ member of fire team NOM. my other regular forum: www.toyotanation.com / gen3,gen4 camry

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