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Old February 16th, 2009, 21:09   #1
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ICS Compatibility.

I was wondering, with ICS coming strong with the clear lowers, I've got a chance to part out the front from an ICS clearsoft. Now, I've owned an ICS M4A1 in the past and was told over and over again, "no you can't do that with that gun, it's an ICS".

So simply put, can a front end set go onto a G&P metal body? Any compatibility issues? Can the mechbox go into another body (although that's a moot point, I'm mostly interested in the front)?
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Old February 16th, 2009, 21:13   #2
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No, not compatable. Move along, nothing to see here.
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Old February 16th, 2009, 21:14   #3
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I can't speak for the front end. That will all depend on the barrel nut threading. I have no direct experience with ICS on that front.

But the ICS split mechbox will ONLY work in an ICS body. There's no way around that one. An ICS body won't work with a standard mechbox, and an ICS mechbox won't fit a standard body.
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Old February 16th, 2009, 21:37   #4
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I have been told by someone who tried it but haven't tried it myself that the lower receiver is the same as a normal lower, its just the upper that is ICS specific.

ICS uses weird threading and to compound this issue they have different threading on different generations of guns. I have fit King Arms barrel nuts onto ICS guns but other than that, good luck. I have a Madbull front end on my ICS right now but I forced it on totally destroying the threading using a vice and big wrenches. It is essentially permanently installed.
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Old February 16th, 2009, 22:05   #5
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Okay, here was the plan. I really like the look of the ICS front to build an stubby killer style M4 with. I was thinking of pulling the front off, throwing it onto a JG body, and calling it a day, parting out the rest.

It's my understanding that the probability of this working even a little bit without permanent damage to my JG body is approximately 0%?
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Old February 16th, 2009, 23:11   #6
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Yeah, you pretty much got it. ICS is a bad starting point if you're planning on using it as an upgrade platform or for parts since the major parts are proprietary. Internals such as gears, springs, pistons, etc are compatible, but the shell, bodies, hopup and front ends are ICS only. You're better off building a gun from scratch with that JG body.
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Old February 16th, 2009, 23:18   #7
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The only parts that are proprietary are the upper receiver, mechbox shell, hopup, cut off lever, selector, and a couple other little bits. The threading on the upper receiver is indeed weird but I have installed King Arms front ends no problem. They also take real steel front ends apparently but I have never tested this.

Personally I recommend ICS to everyone over normal AEG's, just not the plastic ones, get a real metal one from the used section. I think there are a couple for sale right now but they often sell fast.
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Old February 16th, 2009, 23:25   #8
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Actually, I would love to get an ICS. It would be really practical to have 1 gun that I could swap the cylinder and / or uppers and front end for different applications and velocity limits. To be able to switch from a rifle front end (rifle) shooting at 400 fps to a short 10" CQB gun shooting 350 in a couple of minutes would be a big plus for anyone.
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Old February 16th, 2009, 23:29   #9
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Gears in ICS are proprietary. The axles are just slightly smaller, meaning that while you can directly install ICS gears in another brand, putting in other gears into a stock ICS gun means they go into the bushings tightly and won't turn.

This applied up until the last ICS I owned, a 2006 version with Turbo 3000 and steel bushings. The other proprietary parts are tappet (aftermarket is compatible, but ICS won't go into other guns without shaving the top of the tappet down), as well as the other parts that Lutnit covered.

Stock is different, as well as connection system to the receiver. ICS uses a stock adapter attached with 1 large screw. The lower receiver itself is totally incompatable with anything without that adapter.

Hop-up is incompatable with aftermarket outerbarrels, but can be modified to fit by sanding down the positioning tabs on the side of the hop-up chamber.
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Old February 16th, 2009, 23:39   #10
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Why not just get an ICS M4 Pistol for CQB? Very cheap for what it is.
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Old February 17th, 2009, 00:19   #11
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The gear issue is't too bad to geat around,I put a set of Top Power Bushings in by opening up the bushing holes on the mech-box alittle bit and I run Systema gears in it(well for the past 4 years anyway).
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Old February 17th, 2009, 01:38   #12
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Well, that 86's that one. Thanks for all the input, guys.
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Old February 17th, 2009, 02:38   #13
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The ICS bushings in my guns had what looked like bubbles in them so I replaced them with other bushings anyway.

I have never had a problem with aftermarket barrels. I had a Madbull in one and I currently have a Prometheus in my other. The hopup units I have I ordered very recently so they might have changed something.

Full stocks I don't know but anything that uses a buffer tube on an ICS is easy to get to work. Just add some washers on the bolt that holds it on since the bolt doesn't screw into the back of the mechbox but the receiver instead.

I see what you mean about the buffer tube, lower receiver, mechbox thing. I guess the ICS lower mechbox will fit into an aftermarket lower receiver but you wouldn't be able to attach a stock to it since the upper mechbox isn't designed to have something screwed into it like a normal ver.2 is.
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