Well L96 as a upgrade platform

Billybob · October 2nd, 2009, 21:53

If you are willing to put an undertermined amount into upgrades is the Well L96 a decent platform or should one just get the MAruzen and start from there?

Twin#1[Op-for] · October 2nd, 2009, 22:33

If you upgrade it fully, it will be the same in the end anyways

Crunchmeister · October 2nd, 2009, 22:43

You're looking at well over $1000 in upgrades to a Well to make it a decent performer, and you're still left with the low quality Well externals. You can get the Maruzen and put a couple of hundred bucks to upgrade a few key components, and you'll have a gun that cost about the same, but have nice high quality externals. Your call since it's your money, but to me the choice is obvious.

Really, the only thing that makes the Well a better choice is that it's easily obtainable compared to the Maruzen.

Conker · October 2nd, 2009, 23:07

No personnal experience with it, but I'd personally get the TM instead.

Billybob · October 2nd, 2009, 23:11

well yes I would prefer the TM but I would like to wait to see how their new loading mechanism works because it seems over complicated and the one review said it had some feeding problems.

Donster · October 2nd, 2009, 23:34

Let me break it down like this. If you have a Well L96 and a Maruzen L96 (the Well is a clone of the Maruzen) and upgrade them to the same level with the same parts, the Maruzen will be more accurate and an overall better performer. This is due to the fact that the real deal has tighter tolerances and better quality control. the Well does not. If you want performance and a "serious" sniper platform, get the real deal. If you are heartset on a L96, wait for the TM L96. There is sure to be a number of upgradeable parts to be released soon.

Steven · October 3rd, 2009, 00:09

So donster, you say if you fully upgrade both platforms with the same parts, the Maruzen will be better? how so? It's the exact same parts, it's just what you have to do to get them to fit. And when fully upgraded, the only thing stock would probably be the Body, and maybe bolt.

I dont see how The externals matter in the accuracy, and consistency of a gun.

14873 · October 9th, 2009, 12:32

I've made an upgraded WELL L96 and got 600fps.. still have it. But I would love to try out the TM one since it looks way better. If you want any speks on it and wouldn't mind wasting around 500 bucks then just ask

Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw · October 9th, 2009, 14:53

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Originally Posted by Steven

So donster, you say if you fully upgrade both platforms with the same parts, the Maruzen will be better? how so? It's the exact same parts, it's just what you have to do to get them to fit. And when fully upgraded, the only thing stock would probably be the Body, and maybe bolt.

I dont see how The externals matter in the accuracy, and consistency of a gun.

Look at it this way. Most if not all upgrade parts are spec'd out for the Maruzen. The WELL can use some of those parts but since its a clone the tolerances are not 100% so some fitment issues may/will arise and in order to use those parts you have to either modify the part of the location of the part on the gun. If the parts are made for a Maruzen it will outperform the clone with tolerance issues hands down.

HUA? · October 11th, 2009, 17:20

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Originally Posted by Steven

I dont see how The externals matter in the accuracy, and consistency of a gun.

And I dont see how a better suspension makes a car with a tuned engine run faster lap times either.

When firing for accuracy, any variables that do not remain constant will effect the final point of impact of your round. If maurzen has higher standards for tolerances in their work, then the chances of their guns having any give, wobble or movement that is caused by handling or moving parts will be lower. A gun made by a company that has less stringent requirements will have a higher chance of imperfections which could lead to more movement in the body of the gun or any other components.

The more movement you have in the body, or the components of your weapon, the larger your group sizes. The larger your groups, the less consistent you can be, and if your building a gun for long range accurate fire, you do not want to be inconsistent.

Airsoft isnt where I spend most my time, but I do have a bit of experience with real steel and Im sure the relationship is the same.

kalnaren · October 11th, 2009, 17:24

Upgraded with the exact same parts, the Maruzen will outperform the Well. Plus, all the parts will fit on the Maruzen. Ask people who have done the upgrades to Well -apparently they're a complete bitch because of the bad tolerances.

Treefingers · October 11th, 2009, 18:15

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Originally Posted by kalnaren

Ask people who have done the upgrades to Well -apparently they're a complete bitch because of the bad tolerances.

They are quite a bitch. After about $500 in parts and dozens of palms to the face I decided to take the parts I bought for it and put them into a quality gun.

L473ncy · October 11th, 2009, 18:28

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Originally Posted by Steven

I dont see how The externals matter in the accuracy, and consistency of a gun.

I don't actually see how that works either.

Lets say all you have is the WELL body nothing else. Then you build an L96 piece by piece with aftermarket parts, the Maruzen will still get better accuracy?

The car analogy makes sense though. I'm not really that into cars but I do know that with upgraded suspension you can still get better times (even though suspension doesn't really have anything to do with power, I'd suspect it has to do with how it distributes the power or something making better use of the power generated and putting that to the ground).

HUA? · October 11th, 2009, 20:55

The accuracy of a gun is greatly affected by the stock and body components. I dont know if this is as true for airsoft, but to me and the knowledge I have from firearms, the same would apply, but possibly to not as large of an extent.

Any play, spaces, gaps or irregularities in the body can lead to accuracy issues. Especially if any of the above mentioned irregularities can change condition from shot to shot or from applied pressure.

If your gun has any single variable different with it then when you previously pulled the trigger, your next rounds chances of being able to hit the same point of aim when you pull the trigger a second time are decreased.

Long distance shooting is 90% about removing mechanical and environmental variables, and 10% about skill. Any monkey can group a bolt gun under perfect conditions.

Like I said though, I have no experience with airsoft bolt rifles, they dont shoot as far, and they dont undergo the same stresses when firing, so it might be that the body wont affect your results at all

If it was me, Id go with the better build.

FOX_111 · October 11th, 2009, 21:40

I have a Maruzen L96 upgraded and my teamate have a Well L96 upgraded.

He had trouble fitting the upgrade parts, as the Well have looser tolerance and some of the stock parts are not exacly the same.
The maruzen L96 is not a good desing for an airsoft gun IMO. Too much plastic parts in the body. I can understand why the Well is so shitty.

The Well body is also less robust. Having a good rifle body will keep your parts securely inside your rifle. Less or no wobble = better accuracy!

last thing you want on a sniper rifle, is wobble. That cause inconsistency and eventually, it can lead to pressure leak, part failure and death.

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October 2nd, 2009, 22:43	#3
Crunchmeister Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In your bedroom going though your underwear drawer	You're looking at well over $1000 in upgrades to a Well to make it a decent performer, and you're still left with the low quality Well externals. You can get the Maruzen and put a couple of hundred bucks to upgrade a few key components, and you'll have a gun that cost about the same, but have nice high quality externals. Your call since it's your money, but to me the choice is obvious. Really, the only thing that makes the Well a better choice is that it's easily obtainable compared to the Maruzen. __________________

October 2nd, 2009, 23:07	#4
Conker Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Canada / Ireland / USA	No personnal experience with it, but I'd personally get the TM instead. __________________ WTS: King Arms/Madbull Mk18 Mod1 - VFC Mk17 SCAR-H midcap mags, FDE - VFC Mk17 SCAR-H + PWS rail, FDE WTB/WTT: CSOR gear, BFG, Tyr, Crye, etc

October 11th, 2009, 21:40	#15
FOX_111 Le Roi des poissons d'avril Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Terrebonne, Québec	I have a Maruzen L96 upgraded and my teamate have a Well L96 upgraded. He had trouble fitting the upgrade parts, as the Well have looser tolerance and some of the stock parts are not exacly the same. The maruzen L96 is not a good desing for an airsoft gun IMO. Too much plastic parts in the body. I can understand why the Well is so shitty. The Well body is also less robust. Having a good rifle body will keep your parts securely inside your rifle. Less or no wobble = better accuracy! last thing you want on a sniper rifle, is wobble. That cause inconsistency and eventually, it can lead to pressure leak, part failure and death. __________________ Vérificateur d'âge: Terrebonne

October 2nd, 2009, 21:53	#1
Billybob Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Toronto, ON	Well L96 as a upgrade platform If you are willing to put an undertermined amount into upgrades is the Well L96 a decent platform or should one just get the MAruzen and start from there?

October 2nd, 2009, 22:33	#2
Twin#1[Op-for] Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Langley BC	If you upgrade it fully, it will be the same in the end anyways

October 2nd, 2009, 23:11	#5
Billybob Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Toronto, ON	well yes I would prefer the TM but I would like to wait to see how their new loading mechanism works because it seems over complicated and the one review said it had some feeding problems.

October 2nd, 2009, 23:34	#6
Donster Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: GTA	Let me break it down like this. If you have a Well L96 and a Maruzen L96 (the Well is a clone of the Maruzen) and upgrade them to the same level with the same parts, the Maruzen will be more accurate and an overall better performer. This is due to the fact that the real deal has tighter tolerances and better quality control. the Well does not. If you want performance and a "serious" sniper platform, get the real deal. If you are heartset on a L96, wait for the TM L96. There is sure to be a number of upgradeable parts to be released soon.

October 3rd, 2009, 00:09	#7
Steven Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Langley, B.C	So donster, you say if you fully upgrade both platforms with the same parts, the Maruzen will be better? how so? It's the exact same parts, it's just what you have to do to get them to fit. And when fully upgraded, the only thing stock would probably be the Body, and maybe bolt. I dont see how The externals matter in the accuracy, and consistency of a gun.

October 9th, 2009, 12:32	#8
14873 Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2009	I've made an upgraded WELL L96 and got 600fps.. still have it. But I would love to try out the TM one since it looks way better. If you want any speks on it and wouldn't mind wasting around 500 bucks then just ask

October 11th, 2009, 20:55	#14
HUA? Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005	The accuracy of a gun is greatly affected by the stock and body components. I dont know if this is as true for airsoft, but to me and the knowledge I have from firearms, the same would apply, but possibly to not as large of an extent. Any play, spaces, gaps or irregularities in the body can lead to accuracy issues. Especially if any of the above mentioned irregularities can change condition from shot to shot or from applied pressure. If your gun has any single variable different with it then when you previously pulled the trigger, your next rounds chances of being able to hit the same point of aim when you pull the trigger a second time are decreased. Long distance shooting is 90% about removing mechanical and environmental variables, and 10% about skill. Any monkey can group a bolt gun under perfect conditions. Like I said though, I have no experience with airsoft bolt rifles, they dont shoot as far, and they dont undergo the same stresses when firing, so it might be that the body wont affect your results at all If it was me, Id go with the better build.

Well L96 as a upgrade platform

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