TM 226 Damaged Part

[NickRoy]

Hey everyone, a while back I bought the guarder Full metal kit and a 150% spring kit for the 226. I promptly disassembled my gun and started making progress transferring the parts over. This is when the complication arose.

My cat ended up jumping into and playing with my gun's parts (namely spring P226-38) and ended up with it being lodged in the carpet as a mangled mess. I was wondering if anyone knew where I could source one out or how to fabricate one (perhaps a specialty pen spring would work).

Nick

[TCLP]

ehobbyasia.com has MAG Replacement springs. I believe that part is in the package.

[Kokanee]

http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/mag-repla...eries-gbb.html

[NickRoy]

That would be the one! Nice find guys opcorn:

[shooter man]

This replacement spring exclude No.42 Spring.If you want it, may be TMC or Dentrinity can help you, because they have many many japese original part.

[SHÖCK]

Springs are easier than other parts to replace as you can often substitute another spring from a local source and they are widely available.

Try taking apart a BIC mechanical pencil or a push pen and use the spring in that or cut it shorter or look around for other springs in other common items or in a hobby/hardware store (tiny springs used as shocks on RC cars, etc.)

[EagleDriver]

If you can not find a replacement, and the pen spring will not work, you could fashion one out of music wire (piano store, etc.) Buy music wire of a dimension that is close to your other springs (you can use #47 or #65 as a guide for diameter.) You can twist it around a wooden dowel and cut/bend the ends together slightly with a pair of small needle nose pliers. Then, bake it in an oven at 500 degrees F for 1 hour. Note that baking it might close it slightly, so it's ok to make it a little more open than the old part was. Since music wire is fairly cheap, you could make several to different sizes in case you can't reproduce the original part exactly.

[NickRoy]

Hey guys, thanks again for the tip about Ehobby asia; I just got my package in the mail the other day and now my gun is 90% assembled. However, I ran into a snag

I am having a hard time with the placement of spring #42, I have the one of the "prongs" in part #43 and the spring is seated onto the holders; but the spring has nothing to grab on too.... UNLESS (See picture) part #43 is supposed to be directly overtop of that half-disc that controls the trigger.

I also have a handful of pieces leftover, and I'm pretty sure I shouldn't... Any ideas?

Can anyone take off they're grips and send me a picture?

P.S. Sorry for the grainy shot, my cellphone isn't the greatest at taking pictures

[m102404]

In your second picture, the top hook of that spring goes below the trigger transfer bar. Don't know what that hole is for...but it's not for the spring.

[DarkAngel]

The long spring and the little nub is your nozzel return spring.
the plate with the screw is a cover plate for the right side of the handgrip (visible from the 2nd last pic) to cover the back side of the mag release latch.
I cant see well enough to see what the small plate is. (Actually i think thats the decocking leaver spring plate, but your decocking spring isnt in your leftover picture)
and the wide spring goes inside your nozzel under the piston. There should be a small push in rod that holds it inside with the piston.

And yes Tys is right, its supposed to go below the bar not in the hole. I dont know why the whole is there either. They do the same thing with the decocking lever on the left side of the grip.

[NickRoy]

Originally Posted by DarkAngel

The long spring and the little nub is your nozzel return spring.
the plate with the screw is a cover plate for the right side of the handgrip (visible from the 2nd last pic) to cover the back side of the mag release latch.
I cant see well enough to see what the small plate is. (Actually i think thats the decocking leaver spring plate, but your decocking spring isnt in your leftover picture)
and the wide spring goes inside your nozzel under the piston. There should be a small push in rod that holds it inside with the piston.

And yes Tys is right, its supposed to go below the bar not in the hole. I dont know why the whole is there either. They do the same thing with the decocking lever on the left side of the grip.

Thanks for replying so fast, it seems that the wide spring (part #15) is an extra that shipped in the package i ordered.

Do you think it's critical that I have the backplate for the mag release catch? I'm pretty sure I lost one of the screws when i was moving

Would it also be critical to have the de-cocking lever spring plate installed as well? Especially considering it's not in Jugglez parts list.

One last question I have pertaining to trigger transfer bar, does the tab on the top of it sit flush with the slide's rails or does it above? Pictures of your guns would be really helpful

[DarkAngel]

No its not critical to the function of the gun itself, but the backplate is to stop the mag release latch from moving too far (for dissassembly). If you push the mag release too hard (which you will when your in combat operations) it will jam in. Decocking lever isnt critical to the firing function of the gun. But its a feature, kinda pointless to strip apart parts that are there for a reason or function of a gun. As for your last question, I dont understand what exactly you mean by trigger transfer bar. If you are referring to the trigger lever, it is not 100% paralell to your slide, it dips down a little.

[NickRoy]

Alright, well this is what I'll do as far as the mag release backplate is concerned, I'll proceed with building the gun and see if I can't get a new screw locally in the meantime (it's an easy install so I'm not too worried).

The thing with the little plastic piece you mention as being the decocking lever spring plate, my decoking lever still seems to function 100% normally AND i don't see it anywhere in Jugglez blow-up of the gun.

Which side does the Nozzle Return spring fit into?

Now my whole question about the "Trigger Transfer Bar" honestly I don't know what to actually call it, but it IS part #43 and it's relation to the "C" shaped piece which releases the trigger... Take a look at part 43, now is it in the correct place OR should it sitting inside the "C" shaped piece? (Sorrry, I don't know the technical name for the piece.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v1...urrent=070.jpg

[DarkAngel]

Yes it is supposed to be below it.
My bad i thought the small peices was the decocking plate, Its hard to tell with a grainy image.
the spring goes in only 1 slot. One side of the nozzle has a nub on it that sinks inside the blowback chamber. the spring follows it and you put the metal nub in as well while you slide the whole assembly into the slide.

[NickRoy]

Perfect, thanks for all of the help guys

I figured I would give you all an update on how the gun is right now,

I managed to fit the spring and rod into the slide but alas the gun was still having issues, so I took it to one of the helpful gunsmith's on this site props to ThunderCactus for helpin' me out.

Once the gun was all assembled the time came for a test fire, suffice it to say the gun failed to perform... The slide would go all the way back and then get stuck on the trigger, so we had to file both the blowback chamber and the hammer down for it to cycle properly.

After that was done, we still ran into some problems the slide still wasn't making it back "home"; were thinking it's due to my upgraded hammerspring (guarder 150%). So once I get my stock replacement hammer spring, I'll be able to see if it makes any difference (props to Aquamarine for sourcing me some stock replacements).

Thank's again everyone for all the help

Nick