airsoft vs pellet guns?

[jiko]

Hello my name is Tim, and i was wondering why they can sell replica (all metal) pellet guns that do much much more damage than airsoft, but than airsoft has to be clear and plastic?

[Dart]

because the conservitives are in power and hates us canadians having fun.

but ya I always found that wierd my self, I remember finding this answer on here but can't for the life of me remember the why, but I know its on here some place.

[pusangani]

it's because companies like crosman etc. pay them to keep the laws the way they are, tokyo marui and cyma don't care enough to do battle with them.

[Conker]

Because we're in Canada, and firearms laws (especially those passed under lib... nah, I'll try to keep politics of there) doesn't make much sense.

Put simply, that's because the CBSA has decided that airsoft guns can't usually cause significant body harm while airguns can.

[Thenooblord]

they are less dangerous, therefore less legal, go figure

[Gunny_McSmith]

and now they have gbb full metal pellet beretta 92.....

http://www.businessvision.net/Edge/M...KU=PL%2D138500

[kullwarrior]

k Ill take a shot at it...

Originally Posted by Tariff item No. 9898.00.00 reads, in part, as follows

Firearms, prohibited weapons, restricted weapons, prohibited devices, prohibited ammunition and components or parts designed exclusively for use in the manufacture of or assembly into automatic firearms, in this tariff item referred to as prohibited goods . . . .

What are prohibitive devices? Subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code4 list it

Originally Posted by Subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code4 provides

“prohibited device” includes, among other things, a replica firearm, which is defined as follows: “replica firearm” means any device that is designed or intended to exactly resemble, or to resemble with near precision, a firearm, and that itself is not a firearm, but does not include any such device that is designed or intended to exactly resemble, or to resemble with near precision, an antique firearm.

Basically airsoft is usually considered replicas since it is:

• a device that is designed or intended to exactly resemble, or to resemble with near precision, a firearm
• it self not a firearm
• it is not a device that is designed or intended to exactly resemble, or to resemble antique firearm

#1 is pretty simple, if it is model after a firearm with good percision (close to 1:1 ratio, colour)
#2 is not that hard, a firearm is defined in Section 2 of the Criminal Code

Originally Posted by Section 2 of the Criminal Code defines

“firearm” as follows: “firearm” means a barrelled weapon from which any shot, bullet or other projectile can be discharged and that is capable of causing serious bodily injury or death to a person, and includes any frame or receiver of such a barrelled weapon and anything that can be adapted for use as a firearm.

What is it mean "can be discharged and that is capable of causing serious bodily injury or death to a person"

Originally Posted by Taken from an appeal case: [url

http://www.citt-tcce.gc.ca/appeals/decision/ap2h004_e.asp)]In[/url] support of its position, it submitted in evidence a facsimile dated October 22, 1999, from the RCMP Central Forensic Laboratory. According to this evidence,6 in order for an airsoft gun to be capable of causing serious bodily injury and, thus, considered to be a firearm and not a replica firearm, it must have a muzzle velocity in excess of 407 ft/s (or 124 metres per second) when firing a .22 g projectile. The CBSA argued that the pistols in issue have a muzzle velocity of between 250 and 350 ft/s, which is well below the 407 ft/s minimum threshold to be considered a firearm.

#3 is not that harder, an antique firearm is define by a firearm that is made prior to 1889 (that means Gewehr98, not Kar98 is still considered modern firearm, not antique)


So airsoft falls under that defintion of replica...
Pellet gun on the other hand, mostly DO NOT RESEMBLE a model of the firearm. If it does, most likely it falls under the defintion of a firearm, keep in mind firearm below 500ft/s and 5.7J are not required to be registered. (apparently you can, if you want. Some body actually registered a garden water pistol as a firearm)

If there are not within the two, technically its illegal. But, in most cases, pellet gun does follow the definition of firearm as getting shot repeatly could kill a person. Also don't forget pellet gun pentrate deeper than airsoft. (not just in the eye)



Do I get a cookie?

[MoreToasties]

Originally Posted by kullwarrior

Do I get a cookie?

Hell yes, but only because you beat me to it.

[Conker]

Yes, but...

Originally Posted by kullwarrior

a firearm that is made prior to 1989

should be 1889.

[Schlyder]

Originally Posted by Dart

because the conservitives are in power and hates us canadians having fun.

This isn't a flame, just a rule to follow in life.... STFU , if you don't have a clue what the hell you are talking about,( making a statement like that,) just STFU.

[kullwarrior]

Originally Posted by Conker

Yes, but...

should be 1889.

ya Im a dumbass... fixed*

[aznpos531]

Originally Posted by kullwarrior

Do I get a cookie?

I'll give you a whole box of them!
We now have a very good account in this thread of why they're illegal as defined by Canadian law, but I suppose the real question now is the "why", as in why the laws? What is the reasoning behind putting such laws in place?
I have a few ideas but those are only my own speculation. I'll let someone else take a stab first

[Dart]

Originally Posted by Schlyder

This isn't a flame, just a rule to follow in life.... STFU , if you don't have a clue what the hell you are talking about,( making a statement like that,) just STFU.

easy killer. that was a tongue in cheek comment.

so is it the simple fact that most pellet guns fire over 407 fps that puts them in that kind of limbo catagory? its not a 500fps fire arm but its not a replica... doesnt most if not all bb/peller guns only being semi auto also have something to do with it?

[Schlyder]

There is no simple fact. There is however plenty of threads about it and answers in the FAQs. You have been here long enough to know you are asking questions easily found by using the search function, looking and reading.... Before posting such questions. The newb tank is for questions that you CAN'T find an answer there.

[Dart]

i realize that but i am trying to paraphrase for the op. w/e asc has some seriouse pms this month. think we need to all just go play.