The Revolution

[Cobrajr122]

So after years of hype, a big following and finally a release, What has happened to the SystemA revolution?

I rarely see it mentioned of it on ASC.

Did it not live up to the hype?
Did the price kill it?
Did people just not bother with it?

[ex]

Price man...that is the killer right there. Cost to performance is not worth it IMHO.

[Brian McIlmoyle]

GBBRs these days...

The performance gradient between SystemA and a well tuned "conventional AEG" sucking LiPo juice torpedoed the cost difference.

I'm an "early adopter" of nearly everything Airsoft.. but I never got a SystemA .. I just saw too many issues..

and I could get 2 top performing "conventional" AEGs for the price of one "twitchy" PTW

I'm running WETTI GBBRs now.. got 2 and would buy more .. they have boosted my Airsoft enjoyment quotient higher than I thought possible.

[Cobrajr122]

I would LOVE to get a GBBR but the prices are a little steep right now. The CETME and PSG-50 kinda drained my funds :P

[Lawdog]

I have adopted the SystemA platform and am very happy with mine. I have always known that price would stop them from becoming a "revolution" but they perform better than the AEGs I own.

I have a GBBR, but have not fired it yet. Too damned busy.

Ld

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle

GBBRs these days...

The performance gradient between SystemA and a well tuned "conventional AEG" sucking LiPo juice torpedoed the cost difference.

I'm an "early adopter" of nearly everything Airsoft.. but I never got a SystemA .. I just saw too many issues..

and I could get 2 top performing "conventional" AEGs for the price of one "twitchy" PTW

I'm running WETTI GBBRs now.. got 2 and would buy more .. they have boosted my Airsoft enjoyment quotient higher than I thought possible.

Originally Posted by Lawdog

I have adopted the SystemA platform and am very happy with mine. I have always known that price would stop them from becoming a "revolution" but they perform better than the AEGs I own.

I have a GBBR, but have not fired it yet. Too damned busy.

Ld

I think he means the Systema Revolution gearbox + motor guys, not a Systema rifle.

[Cobrajr122]

Originally Posted by Styrak

I think he means the Systema Revolution gearbox + motor guys, not a Systema rifle.

This

[Lawdog]

Originally Posted by Styrak

I think he means the Systema Revolution gearbox + motor guys, not a Systema rifle.

Well typical country weather then.

Carry on lads.

Ld

[L473ncy]

I don't know. I was actually considering using it as a drop in mechbox for a custom built I was considering building (A SPR like the one in Army Ops/Americas Army) but the price was a bit too rich. $500 USD when I checked? I could spend it on a cheaper conventional high quality brand drop in and it would probably perform similarly.

Then they came out with the SystemA Energy and it's enticing but again it's cost prohibitive. At $500 USD it's a bit much to use as a drop in for a TM or something.

Now with recent developments of Airsoft in Canada I'm considering other options especially with my new pet project that I want to dump some money into.

[m102404]

I was a hair's breadth from buying one...had dibs on one early on. But a buddy got one first and it was a nightmare.

When he finally got it working it was sweet as sin...one of the best (not kidding) electric mechboxes re. performance.

But the issues and $$$$ getting a working platform was the clincher for me.

Having said that, I jumped into the PTW pool...and I have 2. Love 'em. Once they were reliable (the first one was a little iffy, the second one I knew enough about them to fiddle with it myself) they're gold. Nothing electric compares. Having said that....with the $$$$ and the chances of something not working with them, I cannot fault people for not adopting the PTW.

Same with the Revolution mechbox. Nice idea...sound engineering...poor implementation. Add to that the marginal market place for it (it's an uphill fight to get those mechboxes into "traditional" AEG guns that already have a mechbox)...then compound it with a really stiff price tag...and you don't end up with a market beating combination.

Anything that expensive that doesn't blow the socks off of 90% of the early adopters is doomed.

[808]

Price killed it for me.

It's actually what propelled me into the GBBR scene. I was working with ZShot to get one for a review - but things didn't pan out. Wasn't about to drop $500USD to buy one for early review. Especially since I was essentially paying ZShot/SystemA to advertize their product for them...

Yeah - no.

[Love]

Everytime that I hear the word "Systema", I think of the russian martial art. xD

[Crunchmeister]

While in concept it's a good idea, it's too expensive and too finicky. From all I've read about it, it's nowhere near the "simple drop-in replacement for Marui" that they marketed it as. And as Tyson so eloquently and accurately put it, "anything that expensive that doesn't blow the socks off of 90% of the early adopters is doomed". Such is the case for this mechbox as far as I'm concerned.

[EagleDriver]

I have a Systema Revolution M110 gearbox in a Classic Army body. I had a bear of a time mating up a hopup chamber and barrel, ending up with Systemas. It also is very picky with magazines - preferring spring-fed mid/low caps versus hicaps. It will split BB's sometimes if fed from a magazine that can't keep up!

I think that the Revolution shines with semi-auto. There is no issue with running it full auto (I have thousands of rounds through mine) but it really works well with semi--fast trigger response.

Some comments:

- I can't get it to fit into a 2009 Classic Army X-series lower
- It doesn't like CA selector switches (comes with a different switch part)
- Big gap with no M120 version - we have a lot of 400 FPS fields and you get either 330 (M110) or over 400 (M130).
- It sounds like a PTW

I will probably build another with the M130 gearbox - re-wired to the front for an M4 and maybe cut down the spring to 400 FPS. But understand that since I am a Systema Dealer, the price is less, but it is still a lot. That also has a lot to do with the Yen.

Not looking to be flamed by the PTW crowd, but I think that the Celcius being around $600 USD here in the States also impacts the popularity of the Revolution. It really has to be in the $250.00 USD price range to get any sort of user base with it.

[SHÖCK]

The effect that lipos and aftermarket mosfets have had in overcoming most mechanical shortcomings of conventional gearboxes has evaporated the market for $500 solutions for quick trigger response, rate of fire, etc.